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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    You'd be fooling yourself if you think it started under Obama.
    So with Obama it is where it started but with Bush it is when it happened?

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Jeez...when will people get it through their heads?

    IF YOU ARE AMERICAN DO NOT GO TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
    Americans have to make themselves feel good by thinking they are helping other people, but in reality not doing anything at all.

    What did this woman actually do over there? Why did she think she could make any difference at all?

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    MMC, These tactics will never end........We can not negotiate with terrorists........That is the bottom line.
    First of all, terrorists are both added and removed from the lists according to political expediency. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are mean to civilian populations.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can not negotiate with terrorists.......what part of that do you not understand my left wing friend???
    Left wing??? God damn you don't pay attention do you. Just because he said one thing you don't agree with, he's suddenly left wing!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by NonoBadDog View Post
    I read some of the posts in this thread, more than half and I have to say our country doesn't have the stomach for the solution. Our country doesn't understand the mindset they are dealing with. It is like trying to be nice to them so they will be nice back to us. It makes us look weak.

    I say we demand double the ransom and the hostage or we bomb the living **** out of them.
    Oh dear lord! You even got a like on that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Pos. Well Al Qaida is currently trying to negotiate the hostages they have. I also think.....they too have a woman.

    To pull completely out of the ME.....we would have to have a different mind set when it comes to resources. As well as not ever needing anything from there. Might be feasible if there was never any reason to have interests pertaining to that Region.
    Glad to see your candid admission of the real reason we're in the ME!!!! Yeah, we're making progress now.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Actually, no. If you go backpacking in Iraq...we can't be responsible for your safety. If you make a mistake and end up outside our borders or outside our protection, I think there should be some recourse to help you. But if you decide to take a guided tour in North Korea and you are tried for crimes against the NK...then, you are on your own. We can't be mother henning every person out there.
    You made reference to a man who brought weapons into Mexico and is now in jail.

    Isn't that right?

    You are comparing Mexico to the middle east. They are very different.

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    For Pete's sake! I'm not defending Obama's policy in the ME. He has taken what George Bush broke and made it infinitely worse. Your problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that Bush broke anything. Watch, your response to this will be further denial that Bush screwed it up. However, most Americans now recognise that both his wars were a mistake. Perhaps you'll eventually acknowledge it too!
    What George Bush broke? Try again Monte.


    How Reaganís Mideast Policy Won the Cold War.....


    Ronald Reaganís centenary coincides with the unraveling of Ronald Reaganís Middle East. The president born February 6, 1911, is most associated with the dramatic end of the Cold War in Europe. But you can make a powerful case that the Cold War was won ó not in Europe ó but in the Middle East. Four events were decisive. 1. The Reagan administration cemented Egypt, the largest and most important Arab country, into the U.S. alliance system.

    Banished from Egypt, the Soviets developed a relationship with the second strongest Arab state, Iraq. On June 7, 1981, Israeli jets smashed the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak. The Reagan administration joined the UN condemnation of Israel. Yet the U.S. benefited enormously from the act it condemned. Lacking nuclear weapons, on the defensive in the war it had launched against Iran in September 1980, Iraq was forced into greater economic dependence on the Gulf Arab states aligned with the U.S. ó another blow to Soviet influence. 3. Middle East events forced the Soviet Union toward an (ultimately doomed) reconstruction of its economy.....snip~

    How Reagan’s Mideast Policy Won the Cold War

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Contrary to the underlying assumptions of many in the West, the hard core Islamic radicals uniformly hold two things as tangible, unwavering truths:

    1) There is nothing to fear from death

    2) Killing Infidels makes their death even more fun

    What they try to accomplish with this blood soaked immortality here on Earth differs between Islamic sects, but the practical outcome for the the West is that these animals can not be negotiated with and the only solution is to kill enough of them to get the rest to question their faith. It is quicker to kill them in ways that they believe deny them immortality but, under superior firepower and outclassed at every turn on the ground, eventually all Islamic radical movements start to doubt if Allah is really on their side.

    The only real positive outcome of ISIS at this point is Saudi Arabia announced a few days ago that the road ahead for the Middle East and Saudi Arabia is to recognize the state of Israel and open diplomatic communication. I think maybe the Saudis did a quick compare contrast between Israel and ISIS and realized they have a better future with Israel.

    There is no link there so I have to take it as opinion, and one poorly formed. I seriously doubt the entire nation of Islam is of the faith that "killing infidels" is fun. If you were to read the Koran, and what it calls the faithful to do, you would find that anyone following that religion would not welcome death, but fear it like the rest of us as they too believe in final judgement.

    No entire nation can be so crassly and sweepingly identified and judged. Would you dare say that all blacks are criminals, of that all Jews are cheats?

    Same bigoted, racial stereo-typing; you have been taught to hate all Muslims in the xenophobic propaganda campaign following 911.
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Left wing??? God damn you don't pay attention do you. Just because he said one thing you don't agree with, he's suddenly left wing!
    This is Navy Pride. To him, everyone is left wing.
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