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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    However it gets paid I just want her returned safely.

    Do you think we should put someone on the job, other than the FBI?

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's not what I am hearing.....all due to fracking. Mining resources from Space. Some think the US will be independent of ME oil in less than a decade. How they looking on gold? We might be needing plenty of it for Space exploration and or establishing bases.

    Still there are Allies to consider. Israel, Egypt, and the Kurds.
    Not really fracking, more like oil shale. Apparently the US has got the largest oil shale reserves in the world, it is rumored to contain more oil than all of OPEC combined. So in the end, we are cozying up to Saudi Arabia simply because we are too lazy to develop our infrastructure.

    As far as our other "allies", Egypt is pretty much unreliable, Isreal gets us into trouble all the time and the Kurds arent really a country. I dont think they're worth it.

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you think we should put someone on the job, other than the FBI?
    If it's necessary. I'm not in a position to know one way or the other.

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What about releasing 5 of the worse terrorists for the alleged traitor Berghdal?

    Is that not ransom in kind? God forbid if that young lady is murdered BO will make a 3 minute statement and be back of the golf course.
    And while we do not negotiate with terrorists for civilian kidnap victims, we have a long, long history of trading prisoners in order to get back our own military. And we're not alone in this respect since not too long ago Israel traded over 1000 Palestinian prisoners for 1 - one - Israeli soldier that had been captured.
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Not really fracking, more like oil shale. Apparently the US has got the largest oil shale reserves in the world, it is rumored to contain more oil than all of OPEC combined. So in the end, we are cozying up to Saudi Arabia simply because we are too lazy to develop our infrastructure.

    As far as our other "allies", Egypt is pretty much unreliable, Isreal gets us into trouble all the time and the Kurds arent really a country. I dont think they're worth it.

    It may be a mute point.....how they looking on that gold?

    Saudi and UAE leaders in particular have expressed concern that Washington can no longer be counted on, citing US diplomatic overtures to Iran and a cautious approach to the Syrian conflict. The lesson of Syria still resonates... that you cannot depend on America or the West... America is no longer reliable," says Abdulla.

    The Emiratis are "also concerned about the role of Qatar, their rival, inside Libya," he added. Qatar also participated in the anti-Kadhafi campaign in 2011. However, the Gulf neighbours, whose relations are overshadowed by unprecedented tensions, have backed rival factions in Libya and continue to do so, experts say. "Qatar is backing the Islamist Brotherhood factions in Libya with weapons and... the Emiratis would feel compelled to step up their involvement," says Wehrey.....snip~

    Libya air strikes show UAE willing to 'go it alone'

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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Let's see.

    ISIS rolls across the east and north of Syria and Iraq, capturing cities and recruiting the populace in a local brand of "regime change."

    An American free-lance journalist is beheaded. Unlike the assassination of a sitting Ambassador in Benghazi, the Obama administration [with a city in siege] determines this atrocity must be met with air raids and drone attacks.

    Result" ISIS takes US citizen hostage and demands a whopping $3,000,000,000.

    Yep, Obama's middle east policy is working....sure has ISIS on the run.
    Contrary to the underlying assumptions of many in the West, the hard core Islamic radicals uniformly hold two things as tangible, unwavering truths:

    1) There is nothing to fear from death

    2) Killing Infidels makes their death even more fun

    What they try to accomplish with this blood soaked immortality here on Earth differs between Islamic sects, but the practical outcome for the the West is that these animals can not be negotiated with and the only solution is to kill enough of them to get the rest to question their faith. It is quicker to kill them in ways that they believe deny them immortality but, under superior firepower and outclassed at every turn on the ground, eventually all Islamic radical movements start to doubt if Allah is really on their side.

    The only real positive outcome of ISIS at this point is Saudi Arabia announced a few days ago that the road ahead for the Middle East and Saudi Arabia is to recognize the state of Israel and open diplomatic communication. I think maybe the Saudis did a quick compare contrast between Israel and ISIS and realized they have a better future with Israel.
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You have this incessant need to BE partisan in everything you do.

    I have supported every decision Obama has made when he did them, even if I didnt necessarily agree with him. Once the CiC involves troops or the military in any capacity, he has my support. Ive been that guy over there. I have kids that are those guys today. I supported Obamas decision to use air attacks against ISIS. I support his decision to use drone strikes against terrorists and even expand their ops.

    I said here that I understand the tough spot he was in and I support the presidents Bergdahl decision. I still think Bergdahl should be investigated but I support Obamas decision.

    So...do us both a favor and take your constant whining partisan bull**** elsewhere or point to where I have been critical of an actual decision Obama has made to engage our enemies.
    Partisan! Which party do you see me support??
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This is a simplistic view of all the problems that we face today. And partisan. The problems that we are facing today is the result of several POTUS's, not just one.



    1: That isn't why we invaded Iraq.

    2: You tried to blame the fact that there were terrorists that were basically fighting the US due to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. If that were true then we wouldn't have had 9/11 happen until after those wars started.
    There was a prior invasion of Iraq. Do you recall OBL's open letter articulating the very reasons why he attacked on 9/11?????
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    "Sadly" we can't play by their rules. Because that would work.
    There are no rules. There are only things that are more or less effective. If dealing with a group that only understands violence, then using violence against that group is called for. You can't reason with the unreasonable.
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    Re: ISIS Demands $6.6M Ransom for 26-Year-Old American Woman.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    They've gotten so used to saying everything is Bush's fault, even after years of Obama, that they just can't help themselves? What I do remember is Obama arguing with the G8 in 2009/2010 that they should be spending more money - not less. I remember the other countries politely disagreeing but saying they would do as they saw fit, and he should do the same. So trillions have now been added to our debt, bringing it to over $17 trillion. What did all that spending gain us - there are now nearly 48 million people on food stamps, and heaven knows how many on other government assistance programs; a lack of well-paying jobs; an unemployment number that is still higher than any Bush ever had; crumbling infrastructure; and a public that is angry. No other country in history has owed so much money to so many people as we currently do. So who was correct - Obama or the other G8 countries that decided that a little cutting back on spending was necessary, and followed through?
    Ronny Reagan was the first and only president to triple our nations national debt. In Clintons 8 years, he added less then two trillion. Bush doubled it from 5 to 10 trillion, and Obama's on course to double it again. BUT......our national debt is a bi-partisan effort, don't let anybody tell you different. It's been known by only a few unfortunately, that there's a dime thickness of difference between the two parties. This is why there's so many independents compared with 3-4 decades ago. They just all need to get together, form a party and put the fear of god into the smart ass and the dumb elephant!
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