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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Naturally, Al Jazerra Headlined it in a different way.


    Obama 'authorises spy flights over Syria'.....
    'US dilemma'

    But the dilemma Obama was facing was the lack of partners in Syria, Landis said. Neither the Syrian regime, nor the fragmented moderate rebels could be seen as reliable allies. US officials, according to Reuters, have said privately that Washington has no plans to seek consent from the Damascus regime for any military flights.

    The Syrian government on Monday warned that Syria must be involved in co-ordinating any air strikes against the Islamic State group in Syria Syria's government considers not only these two groups, but all those fighting to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad to be "terrorists"......snip~

    Obama 'authorises spy flights over Syria' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
    Good morning, MMC.

    I am a little confused here. The last I heard, Assad had emphasized that Syria was a sovereign country, and he wanted no drones or military missiles used by us in his country unless authorized by him. Seems like a reasonable request. Now I am reading that Obama "authorizes" spy flights over Syria, and he has no plans to seek consent from the Damascus regime. WTH? Has Assad asked for our help now, or what is going on? The UN recognizes Assad as the duly elected leader of Syria, so what is Obama doing? The US does not rule Syria. Does he want to have a confrontation with Russia over this, especially since we will look like the aggressor here in the eyes of the rest of the world, and if so, WHY?

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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This isn't new for Obama. In 2008, Candidate Obama said that as president that he would attack al Qaeda in Pakistan with or WITHOUT the Pakistani governments permission. Yet we have all Obama's handwringing over suppossed failure of the Russians to respect Ukrainian sovereign borders. More typical hypocritical US foreign policy. I can't imagine Russia and Syria will be fond of this, although I can't imagine what if anything they could do about it. Clearly shooting down surveillance planes would be within their right, but would probably be presented by the US as provocation. How many times have we seen this bull**** play out.

    Mornin Monte. Well there is the concern that we would help out the MB backed Rebels. Yet their Leadership has control of nothing. Also as I have stated.....no more Army. Most of their ranks have joined ISIS.

    Again Russia and Putin will speak up if they try to hit Assad. As the OP mentioned. Assad warned yesterday about any flights into Syria. Seems we have no time to listen. They have Scuds.

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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Naturally, Al Jazerra Headlined it in a different way.


    Obama 'authorises spy flights over Syria'.....
    'US dilemma'

    But the dilemma Obama was facing was the lack of partners in Syria, Landis said. Neither the Syrian regime, nor the fragmented moderate rebels could be seen as reliable allies. US officials, according to Reuters, have said privately that Washington has no plans to seek consent from the Damascus regime for any military flights.

    The Syrian government on Monday warned that Syria must be involved in co-ordinating any air strikes against the Islamic State group in Syria Syria's government considers not only these two groups, but all those fighting to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad to be "terrorists"......snip~

    Obama 'authorises spy flights over Syria' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
    Well Al Jazeera is after all "real news". And their headline is after all more accurate. And, president Assad has declared from the beginning that all the forces fighting him are terrorists and that the US support making its way to them has emboldened them and made things more difficult. So.....................US air strikes against any of them would be beneficial, depending on "collateral damage", aha. That's the looming question, what about side missions to hit Assad forces to further weaken Assad. Because after all, regime change in Syria is a pentagon doctrine that predates Obama. I'm sure both Syria and Russia will be concerned about the US' real intentions.
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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, MMC.

    I am a little confused here. The last I heard, Assad had emphasized that Syria was a sovereign country, and he wanted no drones or military missiles used by us in his country unless authorized by him. Seems like a reasonable request. Now I am reading that Obama "authorizes" spy flights over Syria, and he has no plans to seek consent from the Damascus regime. WTH? Has Assad asked for our help now, or what is going on? The UN recognizes Assad as the duly elected leader of Syria, so what is Obama doing? The US does not rule Syria. Does he want to have a confrontation with Russia over this, especially since we will look like the aggressor here in the eyes of the rest of the world, and if so, WHY?
    Good morning Polgara. Great questions. If president Assad authorises US military action within his country, it would stand to reason that it would be very conditional, and that no claimed collateral damage that struck his forces would be tolerated. I'm waiting impatiently to here what he and Putin have to say.
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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, MMC.

    I am a little confused here. The last I heard, Assad had emphasized that Syria was a sovereign country, and he wanted no drones or military missiles used by us in his country unless authorized by him. Seems like a reasonable request. Now I am reading that Obama "authorizes" spy flights over Syria, and he has no plans to seek consent from the Damascus regime. WTH? Has Assad asked for our help now, or what is going on? The UN recognizes Assad as the duly elected leader of Syria, so what is Obama doing? The US does not rule Syria. Does he want to have a confrontation with Russia over this, especially since we will look like the aggressor here in the eyes of the rest of the world, and if so, WHY?

    Mornin Lady P. Seems Team BO didn't listen.....and according to the one WH Official who isn't named. They wont be asking Assad for any permission or talking to him.

    Yeah only 17 countries acknowledged the MB backed Rebels. Which only 7 acknowledged them as Ruling Syria. Of course that was with Assad saying otherwise. So there about a good 100 countries that have not weighed in.

    Still Ban Ki Moon and the UN dealt with Assad over the Chems and are in talks with him.

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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Monte. Well there is the concern that we would help out the MB backed Rebels. Yet their Leadership has control of nothing. Also as I have stated.....no more Army. Most of their ranks have joined ISIS.

    Again Russia and Putin will speak up if they try to hit Assad. As the OP mentioned. Assad warned yesterday about any flights into Syria. Seems we have no time to listen. They have Scuds.
    Morning bud, see you've been at it early today! I agree that there's no question Putin will speak up in that eventuality, but it depends on WH spin as to whether or not anyone pays attention. Of course, unless stated otherwise, US planes in Syria will be fair game, and with Russian support, it won't be like their going to be using RPG's.
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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well Al Jazeera is after all "real news". And their headline is after all more accurate. And, president Assad has declared from the beginning that all the forces fighting him are terrorists and that the US support making its way to them has emboldened them and made things more difficult. So.....................US air strikes against any of them would be beneficial, depending on "collateral damage", aha. That's the looming question, what about side missions to hit Assad forces to further weaken Assad. Because after all, regime change in Syria is a pentagon doctrine that predates Obama. I'm sure both Syria and Russia will be concerned about the US' real intentions.

    Again who takes it from Assad? The Rebels have been routed they have no Army. Whats left is being picked off by ISIS. Just this weekend alone they have taken the towns the MB backed rebels were hiding out in.

    As to what Assad said. I put it up yesterday.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...irstrikes.html

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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, MMC.

    I am a little confused here. The last I heard, Assad had emphasized that Syria was a sovereign country, and he wanted no drones or military missiles used by us in his country unless authorized by him. Seems like a reasonable request. Now I am reading that Obama "authorizes" spy flights over Syria, and he has no plans to seek consent from the Damascus regime. WTH? Has Assad asked for our help now, or what is going on? The UN recognizes Assad as the duly elected leader of Syria, so what is Obama doing? The US does not rule Syria. Does he want to have a confrontation with Russia over this, especially since we will look like the aggressor here in the eyes of the rest of the world, and if so, WHY?
    Pipelines and Russia. Same as Ukraine. The Western interests (think big energy USA) want to control all energy going through Syria and from Syria. Currently, Syria has sweetheart deals with Russia and Iran. We, the USA, create chaos in any Nations that don't deal with big energy USA. Look at Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Ukraine, Afghanistan, etc. and it becomes real clear. Play the game with our players, who seem to control USA gov't policy, or prepare for chaos, mayhem, death, destabilization and more easily described as policy by the statement, "If the USA can't have it, nobody can." Saudi Arabia, also big energy interests, is always willing to de-stabilize competitors. as well. It's still about OIL and money, same as Iraq, circa 2003.

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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Lady P. Seems Team BO didn't listen.....and according to the one WH Official who isn't named. They wont be asking Assad for any permission or talking to him.

    Yeah only 17 countries acknowledged the MB backed Rebels. Which only 7 acknowledged them as Ruling Syria. Of course that was with Assad saying otherwise. So there about a good 100 countries that have not weighed in.

    Still Ban Ki Moon and the UN dealt with Assad over the Chems and are in talks with him.
    If that is confirmed I find it to be belligerent, and another hypocritical violation of sovereign borders.
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    Re: Obama Approves Air Surveillance of ISIS in Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If that is confirmed I find it to be belligerent, and another hypocritical violation of sovereign borders.
    That's what Wiki is carrying.

    The Syrian National Council (SNC)[1] is recognized by 7 UN members, the Republic of Kosovo and the European Union as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people in the midst of the Syrian civil war, with three of those being permanent members of the Security Council. One country, Libya, recognises the SNC as the legitimate government of Syria.....snip~



    International recognition of the Syrian National Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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