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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

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justabubba said:
and that is a concern
given your presentation, could not any person of color allege their being approached by the police to be a racially charged incident?
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They can allege anything they want. The problem with Furgeons is the numbers reflect something is amiss.
 
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Tettsuo said:
A better question to ask is why back up in that manner at all? Would it not be easier to just get out of the vehicle and order the young men to put their hands up if he was trying to apprehend them?
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Who said he was trying to apprehend them? Maybe he was going back to ask them their wherabouts, etc during the time the shop robbery took place?

And since when is it easier to walk than drive? lol
 
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Tettsuo said:
They can allege anything they want. The problem with Furgeons is the numbers reflect something is amiss.
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but what about the incident indicates that there were racial motivations involved
 
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Lursa said:
Who said he was trying to apprehend them? Maybe he was going back to ask them their wherabouts, etc during the time the shop robbery took place?

And since when is it easier to walk than drive? lol
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If you believe the person should be apprehended, it's better to be a distance away from them. Being right on top of them isn't a good idea... particularly if the person is 300lbs.
 
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Tettsuo said:
If you believe the person should be apprehended, it's better to be a distance away from them. Being right on top of them isn't a good idea... particularly if the person is 300lbs.
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He didnt know if they were the ones....you act like he should have just 'assumed' they were the ones and just arrested them. He needs to assess and question. And in many ways he is safer in the car with 2 suspects, esp one the size of Brown. In the car, he can call for additional cops to help him arrest 2 suspects if needed.

You said it...if he was worried about Brown's size...where is he safer? On foot or in car? With your assumption that he wanted to 'apprehend' them...how does he do that from any distance? That requires contact...searching and handcuffing.
 
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justabubba said:
but what about the incident indicates that there were racial motivations involved
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Stop and Frisk is a great example of racially motivated policing.

The Statistical Debate Behind the Stop-and-Frisk Verdict - The New Yorker

NYPD stops are significantly more frequent for Black and Hispanic citizens than for white citizens, after adjusting stop rates for the precinct crime rates, the racial composition and other social and economic factors predictive of police activity. These disparities are consistent across a set of alternate tests and assumptions.
Blacks and Latinos are more likely to be stopped than Whites even in areas where there are low crime rates and where residential populations are racially heterogeneous or predominantly White.
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Lursa said:
He didnt know if they were the ones....you act like he should have just 'assumed' they were the ones and just arrested them. He needs to assess and question. And in many ways he is safer in the car with 2 suspects, esp one the size of Brown. In the car, he can call for additional cops to help him arrest 2 suspects if needed.

You said it...if he was worried about Brown's size...where is he safer? On foot or in car? With your assumption that he wanted to 'apprehend' them...how does he do that from any distance? That requires contact...searching and handcuffing.
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If he grabbed Brown because he thought there were the suspects in a strong arm robbery, HE acted like they were the ones and was just going to arrest them.


On foot, with your hand on your weapon is safer than grabbing him through the window.
 
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Tettsuo said:
If he grabbed Brown because he thought there were the suspects in a strong arm robbery, HE acted like they were the ones and was just going to arrest them.


On foot, with your hand on your weapon is safer than grabbing him through the window.
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really, what did the officer think he was going to accomplish, grabbing that large fellow thru the driver-side window?
which causes me to doubt that he was 'thinking'
 
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Tettsuo said:
If he grabbed Brown because he thought there were the suspects in a strong arm robbery, HE acted like they were the ones and was just going to arrest them.


On foot, with your hand on your weapon is safer than grabbing him through the window.
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You have no idea what transpired. I'm sure he didnt plan on grabbing him thru the window. My guess is that when questioning them, Brown turned away and Wilson grabbed him to stop him and continue the discussion. Not a great move but also unplanned. You dont 'apprehend' people thru a car window.
 
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justabubba said:
the assertion made is that the black witness sought protection from the blacks of his community rather than the local police force
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But that has absolutely nothing to do with what you said was a lie. No one said anything about the makeup of the police force, nor is there any legitimate reason to believe that the witness is in any sort of danger from the police force.

This is what you said:

the racial composition of the local police force matches that of the community it serves - lie
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If no one said anything about the racial composition of the local police force matching that of the community, then there couldn't be a lie.
 
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roguenuke said:
But that has absolutely nothing to do with what you said was a lie. No one said anything about the makeup of the police force, nor is there any legitimate reason to believe that the witness is in any sort of danger from the police force.

This is what you said:



If no one said anything about the racial composition of the local police force matching that of the community, then there couldn't be a lie.
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i was being obtuse, mimicking excon's use of ... -lie
he was insistent that the witness was fearful of the other blacks in town and not the police
when the black witness' testimony resulted in the DOJ coming to town to investigate the local police and its relationship with the black community
also, one of those white policemen - the shooter - might get burned because of this witness' testimony
in short, the witness is not fearful of the blacks in his community; he is seeking protection from the white police force
 
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justabubba said:
i was being obtuse, mimicking excon's use of ... -lie
he was insistent that the witness was fearful of the other blacks in town and not the police
when the black witness' testimony resulted in the DOJ coming to town to investigate the local police and its relationship with the black community
also, one of those white policemen - the shooter - might get burned because of this witness' testimony
in short, the witness is not fearful of the blacks in his community; he is seeking protection from the white police force
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And as I said, there is no reason to believe he is in any danger from the "white police force".
 
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Buck Ewer said:
See the video near the end of the conference from 32:00 on.
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Thanks. I'd like to see something a little more definitive and clear, but this does tend to inveigh against the claim that Wilson fired in fear of immanent attack.
 
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roguenuke said:
And as I said, there is no reason to believe he is in any danger from the "white police force".
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tell that to the family of the fellow who died in the street
they will find it as credible as i
 
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justabubba said:
tell that to the family of the fellow who died in the street
they will find it as credible as i
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Which no one can currently prove had anything to do with race.
 
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justabubba said:
i was being obtuse, mimicking excon's use of ... -lie
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Obtuse? Yes.
Mimicking? Not! My use was of actual lies told.


justabubba said:
he was insistent that the witness was fearful of the other blacks in town and not the police
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False. Not once did I mention blacks. That is all your racial crapola
I stated community.


justabubba said:
he is seeking protection from the white police force
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:lamo
He has nothing to fear from them.
So that is a false statement.

It is like you ignore whatever is inconvenient for your position.
A credible threat must exist for Protective custody, and fear of the Police is not a credible threat.



And he does have far more to be fearful from his community than he does from the Police or Officer Wilson.

The picture indicated that quite well. "Snitches get stitches".
 
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roguenuke said:
Which no one can currently prove had anything to do with race.
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enough to spark a investigation by DOJ, after this black witness came forward
here is holder:
Holder said the investigation would determine whether officers in Ferguson had “engaged in a pattern or practice of violations of the U.S. Constitution or federal law.”
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Eric Holder Opens Broad Probe Into Ferguson Police - NBC News
Four of the department’s 54 officers are black, while the city population is about two-thirds black. State statistics have also shown that blacks in St. Louis County, including Ferguson, are more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be arrested during traffic stops than whites.

Holder said that his conversations with the people of Ferguson, when he visited in the aftermath of the Brown shooting, had shown the pattern of mistrust.
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yep, this black witness, the one whose testimony might fry the white shooter/cop, has reason to be fearful of the leos in his community
 
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justabubba said:
enough to spark a investigation by DOJ, after this black witness came forward
here is holder:

Eric Holder Opens Broad Probe Into Ferguson Police - NBC News

yep, this black witness, the one whose testimony might fry the white shooter/cop, has reason to be fearful of the leos in his community
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You are speaking nonsense, and conflating two separate things.
He has no reason to fear the Police.
They are not a credible threat.




are more likely to be pulled over and more likely to be arrested during traffic stops than whites.
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That is something that should be happening as they make up the majority of the population.
 
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justabubba said:
tell that to the family of the fellow who died in the street
they will find it as credible as i
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:doh
There is nothing to tell them. They know their son was a criminal who was on the wrong path and got himself killed.
 
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justabubba said:
tell that to the family of the fellow who died in the street
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The family who were having him live with his grandmother?
 
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justabubba said:
enough to spark a investigation by DOJ, after this black witness came forward
here is holder:

Eric Holder Opens Broad Probe Into Ferguson Police - NBC News

yep, this black witness, the one whose testimony might fry the white shooter/cop, has reason to be fearful of the leos in his community
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The investigation by the DOJ is a reaction to accusations of racism, with no real proof. It is the government doing what it tends to do best, overblow and overreact to any accusation of wrongdoing by someone else in the government in order to distance themselves from any such accusations.
 
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Lursa said:
The family who were having him live with his grandmother?
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Having him, not letting him? Please share your sources for this information.
 
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JC_CT said:
Having him, not letting him? Please share your sources for this information.
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That's all the news item said...that he was living with his grandmother.

Why do you think he was living with her? We can only speculate, but if you have an opinion....
 
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Lursa said:
That's all the news item said...that he was living with his grandmother.

Why do you think he was living with her? We can only speculate, but if you have an opinion....
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He had a recording studio set up in her basement. Cause or effect, who knows. But there are other possibilities besides "his mother hates him."
 
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