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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

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Actually he DID commit a serious felony when he strong arm robbed the store. Anyway, his Juvi records have not been released yet so you or anyone wouldn't have the PROOF that he wasn't convinced or tried on anything let alone a serious felony conviction.
 
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Was there many folks here discussing such?

And btw, they have to start somewhere. So this crime suffices.

And then take a look at the kind of person he was hanging around with.

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Was there many folks here discussing such?

And btw, they have to start somewhere. So this crime suffices.

And then take a look at the kind of person he was hanging around with.

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Ah, so guilty by association? How un-American.
 
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Ah, so guilty by association? How un-American.

Sigh.

That's not what he was getting at, it's the ridiculous assertion that has been pushed endlessly that these two were innocent and non-violent. It also speaks to his credibility as a witness
 
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"If a murder is committed with a criminal as an eyewitness, did the murder really exist?"

-George Berkeley
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

To be honest, all that says is that if he had a Class A or B felony as a juvenile, that it would be open record. Class C felonies include involuntary manslaughter and second-degree assault, and could still be closed if there were two or less adjudications - straight from the article itself.
 
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To be honest, all that says is that if he had a Class A or B felony as a juvenile, that it would be open record. Class C felonies include involuntary manslaughter and second-degree assault, and could still be closed if there were two or less adjudications - straight from the article itself.

Doesn't matter, the wingnut bloggers were saying they "heard" he was charged with murder.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

Doesn't matter, the wingnut bloggers were saying they "heard" he was charged with murder.

I said he committed a felony. That can be proven
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

I said he committed a felony. That can be proven
So did the teenager that lives next door that repeatedly flipped the flag on my mailbox up. He was a repeat offender.

Point is, we don't know what he would have been convicted of, possibly plead down to, etc. He definitely pushed somebody and allegedly stole cigarillos.
 
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I said he committed a felony. That can be proven

Talking about his record. As for what he did in the store, there was no trial, so you can't say he is a felon.

You can opine that he is one, but opinions are like...well you know...
 
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So did the teenager that lives next door that repeatedly flipped the flag on my mailbox up. He was a repeat offender.

Point is, we don't know what he would have been convicted of, possibly plead down to, etc. He definitely pushed somebody and allegedly stole cigarillos.

Lol !

Thats strong arm robbery amd thats a felony and you're not seriously trying to equate flipping a flag up on a Mail box to Strong armed robbery are you ?
 
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Lol !

Thats strong arm robbery amd thats a felony and you're not seriously trying to equate flipping a flag up on a Mail box to Strong armed robbery are you ?
So predictable. There were TWO paragraphs to my post. Try reading both of them, and maybe focus on the one that starts with "Point is..."
 
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Talking about his record. As for what he did in the store, there was no trial, so you can't say he is a felon.

You can opine that he is one, but opinions are like...well you know...


Did there NEED to be a trial ?

He strong arm robbed a store. You can't say it didn't happen, its on video.

And it definitely contradicts the false narrative of a Gentle Giant minding his own business.

Without that video there's no telling what the media would have done to that LIE about him being innocent good kid that had just been accepted to " College ".
 
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Did there NEED to be a trial ?

No, the store owner and/or clerk may have decided not to press charges.

But if was to be convicted, then YES.
 
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Did there NEED to be a trial ?

He strong arm robbed a store. You can't say it didn't happen, its on video.

And it definitely contradicts the false narrative of a Gentle Giant minding his own business.

Without that video there's no telling what the media would have done to that LIE about him being innocent good kid that had just been accepted to " College ".

I live in a country where there are trials and people get their day in court. Not sure about you.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

By Holly Yan, CNN
updated 12:36 AM EDT, Tue August 26, 2014


[...]

In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.

"I personally heard at least 11" shots, the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon.

The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, Blumenthal said.

He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.

[...]
Lawyer: Audio shows 11 shots when Michael Brown killed - CNN.com


11 Shots in 5 seconds.
Short pause between 6 and the other five. Likely Brown was still coming at him.
Just more evidence.

Yes, I see that as completely reasonable: I am an unarmed man, a cop is shooting at me so I run TOWARD him. Makes sense.
 
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No, the store owner and/or clerk may have decided not to press charges.

But if was to be convicted, then YES.

Lol..

I bet they did.

What could be gained from giving the rioters and looters one more reason to destroy their store ?
 
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Yes, I see that as completely reasonable: I am an unarmed man, a cop is shooting at me so I run TOWARD him. Makes sense.
:doh
Prove that doesn't happen, and then prove he wasn't already approaching the Officer when the Officer started shooting.
 
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I live in a country where there are trials and people get their day in court. Not sure about you.

Oh really ?

Where was the vetting of the media's narrative that this guy was some innocent Gentle Giant who was gunned down in cold blood ?

I mean there was no trial for the officer and people made the decision the day it happened.

Releasing that video was a brilliant move on the part of the Ferguson Police force

Because it DESTROYED the myth that this was just a innocent Kid minding his own business.

A myth that if not for the video would have been perpetuated and embellished to the point of " justifying " more violence, more riots and more looting

The releasw of the video pissed off the race hustlers too.

Thats indication enough that ut was the right thing to do.
 
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Ah, so guilty by association? How un-American.
Sigh.

That's not what he was getting at, it's the ridiculous assertion that has been pushed endlessly that these two were innocent and non-violent. It also speaks to his credibility as a witness
While contrapositive was right, guilt by association does have it's merits and is fully American as it is any other nationality.
Fine upstanding people usually do not hang with such a criminal element unless they themselves are also of the same ilk, and hence, really are not fine upstanding individuals.
 
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Oh really ?

Where was the vetting of the media's narrative that this guy was some innocent Gentle Giant who was gunned down in cold blood ?

I mean there was no trial for the officer and people made the decision the day it happened.

Releasing that video was a brilliant move on the part of the Ferguson Police force

Because it DESTROYED the myth that this was just a innocent Kid minding his own business.

A myth that if not for the video would have been perpetuated and embellished to the point of " justifying " more violence, more riots and more looting

The releasw of the video pissed off the race hustlers too.

Thats indication enough that ut was the right thing to do.

Because he was unarmed and shot by the cops in the middle of the day for walking down the street, and we don't know anything otherwise. And the Ferguson PD hasn't exactly released any reports, and the cop certainly hasn't said anything. You have a dead kid, that is the reality.
 
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:doh
Prove that doesn't happen, and then prove he wasn't already approaching the Officer when the Officer started shooting.

I need not prove a thing, nor do I chose to enter into this silly game of trying to speculate as to what happened. I don't know.

I will not indulge in the foolish enterprise of drawing conclusions on hearsay and impressions. I am willing to wait to hear all of the evidence before I make some declaration about what happened. That said, I enjoy challenging the reasonableness, if not the intellect, of those that operate in the world of impressions drawn upon incomplete facts and half-baked speculation. I think people that think they know what happened here, unless that actually were there, are playing in the realm of foolishness.

That all said, I find your speculation herein to be unreasonable...... I did not say it did not happen, I just said its not reasonable.
 
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I think people that think they know what happened here, unless that actually were there, are playing in the realm of foolishness.

That all said, I find your speculation herein to be unreasonable...... I did not say it did not happen, I just said its not reasonable.
Which makes you wrong all the way around.
We have the known evidence. I do not care if you do not want to know, or if you can't tell what it says. That is on you.

And the evidence is not unreasonable.
 
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No, the store owner and/or clerk may have decided not to press charges.

But if was to be convicted, then YES.

We have visible proof. He will never be charged because he's dead.

That does not mean he didnt do it. It just means he's not a posthumous felon.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

So here's a very good article that explains the policies and law that guide the police's interactions with the public and their use of force.

From a friend of mine. He is a cop and his wife is a detective in rural WA St. Not liberals :mrgreen: I am. And dang it if we arent friends anyway.

How cops can help citizens better understand police use of force

From the article:

Force Options

When an officer meets resistance, officers are trained to use a level of force justified by the specific threat, or resistance they are presented with. For example, if a person pulls away from an officer making an arrest and snaps, “Don’t you touch me,” the officer can choose to apply a compliance hold to that person.

These holds are designed to convince the person to comply.

When a suspect is actively resisting, the officer can also choose to disengage and deploy a TASER or utilize pepper spray to overcome that resistance.

It might surprise some people to discover that when a suspect strikes an officer, or even acts as if he or she is about to strike an officer, that officer can legally deliver impacts with what we call personal body weapons.

Officers can punch, kick, or strike with elbows and/or knees to defend themselves and/or make an arrest.

Officers can also choose to deliver baton impacts to targeted areas on the body. Officers can even strike a suspect more than once if once does not stop the suspect’s threat. If a suspect tries to hit an officer, don’t be surprised when that officer hits back.

Use of Deadly Force

I’ve never heard an officer say at the beginning of a shift, “I hope I get to shoot someone today.”

While the vast majority of officers never fire their weapons in the line of duty, some have to. When an officer is faced with the threat of death or great bodily injury — or someone they are sworn to protect is faced with that same imminent threat — an officer is justified in using deadly force.

There are three generally held misconceptions about deadly force that continually arise and need to be addressed:

1. An officer can shoot an unarmed man under certain conditions.
An officer may have to use deadly force on an unarmed man who is larger, stronger, and/or attempting to disarm the officer, for example. In the case of a suspect, who is battering an officer to the point that he or she may suffer death or great bodily harm, the use of deadly force is defensible. Police officers do not have to sustain a severe beating in the line of duty.

Other factors that could justify an officer’s choice to utilize deadly force are the extent of that officer’s injury, exhaustion, or the number of assaultive adversaries the officer is confronted with.

2. An officer can, in certain conditions, shoot someone in the back.
You see if a suspect is fleeing and their escape presents an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm to the community at large, the use of deadly force can be justified. On some occasions a round might enter through the back, because of the dynamics of the circumstance.

3. Officers are not — and never will be — trained to shoot to wound or shoot weapons out of subjects’ hands.
These are not realistic options. Handguns are not accurate enough to deliberately attempt such things when lives are on the line.
 
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