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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

JC_CT said:
If we ignore the people who saw it happen, then sure.
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Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable, and not only because people lie if they have reason to - but because a person can remember incorrectly.
Without supporting evidence of their accounts, I can only make assumptions based on their statements.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

vesper said:
That isn't uncommon. Depending on how strong the evidence is to exonerate the officer. And no doubt with all the race baiters involved in this case, and a media hell bent on stoking the fires, there will probably be a civil suit after the Grand Jury can find no just cause to charge the officer.
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You think Brown's parents are going to file a civil suit against the man who shot their unarmed son dead..because of the race baiters?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

vesper said:
And your response sir, is a prime example of the power of media to portray a person in a bad light. You don't know anything for certain that you just spewed, but by golly because it fits into what your mindset is, you will run with it. Thank goodness the justice system doesn't have your set of standards.
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Wilson worked under a bad light for three years and got his training and experience there.
I didn't need to "portray" anything. His record speaks for itself.
His workplace mindset is self-evident.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

The Mark said:
Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable, and not only because people lie if they have reason to - but because a person can remember incorrectly.
Without supporting evidence of their accounts, I can only make assumptions based on their statements.
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I wouldn't count on any one of them to remember the color of Wilson's shoe laces. But "stand there and get shot multiple times" vs. "put head down and charge full steam for 30 feet"? With at least five witnesses who said the same thing?

Tainted because of the color of their skin. Sorry that it makes people uncomfortable, but if five white people were saying the same thing, we would not be having this discussion.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

The Mark said:
I'm just attempting to translate.

So far as I can see there's no way to tell one way or another at this point if anyone, both, or one of the involved parties is at fault.
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Well at least you are keeping an open mind Mark willing to wait for all the evidence to be heard. Kudos
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
Wilson worked under a bad light for three years and got his training and experience there.
I didn't need to "portray" anything. His record speaks for itself.
His workplace mindset is self-evident.
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Oh for the love of Pete, that is crap. But that crap fits into what you want to be the outcome. Hope you never sit on a Grand Jury. God help the accused if it doesn't fit into your mindset.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

apdst said:
So, nothing specifically detailing any wrong doing committed by Wilson, himself? Why am I not surprised that you have NOTHING in that regard?
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Are you not the one who brought up a credibility issue in this thread? :doh
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

JC_CT said:
You think Brown's parents are going to file a civil suit against the man who shot their unarmed son dead..because of the race baiters?
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I have no doubt the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's of the world and special interest groups will be encouraging them to do so.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
I believe he is a murderer and I believe he should, and will, be charged with murder.
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Ain't gonna happen, the pig will walk because he'll say he felt endangered, meanwhile, people will take to the streets and protest again, and again, the jackboots like Wilson will come and tamp down demonstrations carrying heavy weapons. Call me pessimistic.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

vesper said:
I have no doubt the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's and special interest groups will be encouraging them to do so.
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The Surgeon General encourages me to breathe, but that's not why I do it.
 
The Mark said:
You keep saying this, but I don't really believe you anymore, given previous encounters on the same point.
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That's nothing, you should some of the Zimmerman thread/s.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

The Mark said:
Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable, and not only because people lie if they have reason to - but because a person can remember incorrectly.
Without supporting evidence of their accounts, I can only make assumptions based on their statements.
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As the number of separate witness accounts that re-enforce each other goes up ...the credibility of the aggregate goes up accordingly.
I'll bet if a white witness comes forward that agrees with the "Josie version" suddenly eye-witness accounts will be considered, iron clad, reliable by all conservative outlets.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

apdst said:
Funny how the Libbos leave out that part!
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Funny how CONS hump jackboot thug's legs while not caring one iota for a citizen.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
As the number of separate witness accounts that re-enforce each other goes up ...the credibility of the aggregate goes up accordingly.
I'll bet if a white witness comes forward that agrees with the "Josie version" suddenly eye-witness accounts will be considered, iron clad, reliable by all conservative outlets.
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I saw conservative blogs reporting Josie herself as a witness.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

vesper said:
Oh for the love of Pete, that is crap. But that crap fits into what you want to be the outcome. Hope you never sit on a Grand Jury. God help the accused if it doesn't fit into your mindset.
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My mindset is based on the compelling evidence I have seen...Not on a wish for an outcome.
Can you honestly say that? Given some of your "slippery slope no one will want to be a cop" apologies for Wilson?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

JC_CT said:
I wouldn't count on any one of them to remember the color of Wilson's shoe laces. But "stand there and get shot multiple times" vs. "put head down and charge full steam for 30 feet"? With at least five witnesses who said the same thing?

Tainted because of the color of their skin. Sorry that it makes people uncomfortable, but if five white people were saying the same thing, we would not be having this discussion.
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I didn't even know what color their skin was til now.

I've paid only scant attention to this whole thing, so when you said "eyewitnesses", I gave a general answer.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

vesper said:
When you have people looting stores , throwing Molotov cocktails burning small businesses down, when you have protestors firing arms at police, when you have a group of protestors where the majority are from out of town gang bangers causing the trouble, when you have race baiters showing up on the scene to ractchet up the rhetoric, WTF do you expect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ferguson leaders and pigs are race baiters, you're okay with that? The city has a history of racial profiling, segregation, and bias.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
As the number of separate witness accounts that re-enforce each other goes up ...the credibility of the aggregate goes up accordingly.
I'll bet if a white witness comes forward that agrees with the "Josie version" suddenly eye-witness accounts will be considered, iron clad, reliable by all conservative outlets.
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I think it's bull**** that people still connect conservatives and racism as if they're inherently the same thing.

If anyone is racist they aren't really a conservative as I understand the term.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

vesper said:
I have no doubt the Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's of the world and special interest groups will be encouraging them to do so.
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Jesse and Al didn't shoot an unarmed kid. Wilson did.
If you felt your kid was killed for no good reason...WTF would you do?
 
The Mark said:
So far as I can see there's no way to tell one way or another at this point if anyone, both, or one of the involved parties is at fault.
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The Mark said:
I didn't even know what color their skin was til now.

I've paid only scant attention to this whole thing, so when you said "eyewitnesses", I gave a general answer.
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Then maybe you shouldn't be making comments with respect to what the body of publicly known evidence currently consists of.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

AJiveMan said:
Ain't gonna happen, the pig will walk because he'll say he felt endangered, meanwhile, people will take to the streets and protest again, and again, the jackboots like Wilson will come and tamp down demonstrations carrying heavy weapons. Call me pessimistic.
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Your being pessimistic.
I have faith that this **** is gonna change.
 
JC_CT said:
Then maybe you shouldn't be making comments with respect to what the body of publicly known evidence currently consists of.
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Ah, but generalized and vague statements about something I know little about are my specialty.
 
Excon said:
I already did.
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To me, specifically, and in response to my posted question.

If you're talking about our interactions previous to now in this thread, I would tell you to stop making **** up about me.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
Nonsense.
What you won't admit is that the three wounds; the thumb palm graze, the forearm graze and the upper arm graze are all consistent with the victim running or walking away from the shot direction.
OR that they are also consistent with being shot from the front with the hands raised in a surrender position.
I understand that you will never admit those observations to be true... and that you will cling desperately to a single phrase from Badens press conference ... But anyone here looking at the picture and the chart ( that Della Street is holding up) can easily see the logic in what I am talking about.
...Well Excon can you man up and admit that these observations CAN BE CONSISTENT with these postures and observations?
Or will you continue to stonewall this information surrendering any credibility for an impartial opinion that you may have left?
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There you go not knowing what you are talking about.
They were all from the front.
So again.
And is why it was explained that they could have been received [perceived] moving forwards or backwards, but not in facing away from.

Which is also why the movement of the arm was explained. Such a shot could appear to have come from the back when it actually came from the front.​



Again, why are they not talking about trajectory to the body?
Dr. Baden obviously knows they all came from the front, so why isn't he speaking about trajectory towards the body?
Have you not figured that out yet?

Excon said:
the truth is only one way was possible, and that is likely why the scheme team are not revealing any trajectory analysis in regards to that shot.
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In regards to the diagram.
When aiming, you aim center mass.
The diagram shows all the rounds hitting to one side (except for the first at the window and the last as he was closest then), suggests the sight is slightly out of alignment and shoots left, or because of the damage to his face he received from Brown.
If he had been aiming at Browns back as he ran, the rounds, if any hit, would most likely be on Brown's left and not right. There are no entry wounds on the left back.
They are all on Browns right front.
 
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