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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Excon said:
"... but they're from the front." Not in the front.
And is why it was explained that they could have been received moving forwards or backwards, but not in facing away from.


Which is also why the movement of the arm was explained. Such a shot could appear to have come from the back when it actually came from the front.
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Nonsense.
What you won't admit is that the three wounds; the thumb palm graze, the forearm graze and the upper arm graze are all consistent with the victim running or walking away from the shot direction.
OR that they are also consistent with being shot from the front with the hands raised in a surrender position.
I understand that you will never admit those observations to be true... and that you will cling desperately to a single phrase from Badens press conference ... But anyone here looking at the picture and the chart ( that Della Street is holding up) can easily see the logic in what I am talking about.
...Well Excon can you man up and admit that these observations CAN BE CONSISTENT with these postures and observations?
Or will you continue to stonewall this information surrendering any credibility for an impartial opinion that you may have left?
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Hmmmmmm?
 
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roguenuke said:
Josie's did. We haven't heard Officer Wilson's story from him yet.
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No, Josie's version didn't. And because it didn't suggests that Wilson didn't know about the robbery when he confronted MB and Johnson.
 
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Moot said:
No, Josie's version didn't. And because it didn't suggests that Wilson didn't know about the robbery when he confronted MB and Johnson.
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That's not true. From what I've read, "Josie" said that he pulled forward and got the call in about the description of the suspects of a robbery.

“He pulled up ahead of them. And he was watching them, and then he gets the call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description,” Josie told Loesch on Friday. “And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever.”
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CNN Now Reporting Potential Bombshell in Ferguson Shooting Regarding What Alleged Friend of Officer Darren Wilson Told TheBlaze

I'm not saying her version is true or I even believe this woman is real, but if we accept her as giving the officer's story, then she did say that he got told about the robbery, the description of the suspects, and noticed the cigars, and that was what made him go back after he had pulled ahead of them, and it makes sense.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

roguenuke said:
That's not true. From what I've read, "Josie" said that he pulled forward and got the call in about the description of the suspects of a robbery.



CNN Now Reporting Potential Bombshell in Ferguson Shooting Regarding What Alleged Friend of Officer Darren Wilson Told TheBlaze

I'm not saying her version is true or I even believe this woman is real, but if we accept her as giving the officer's story, then she did say that he got told about the robbery, the description of the suspects, and noticed the cigars, and that was what made him go back after he had pulled ahead of them, and it makes sense.
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The police have confirmed that her story tracks with the officer's story... So.. seems we can put some belief in her being "real" at least.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

roguenuke said:
That's not true. From what I've read, "Josie" said that he pulled forward and got the call in about the description of the suspects of a robbery.



CNN Now Reporting Potential Bombshell in Ferguson Shooting Regarding What Alleged Friend of Officer Darren Wilson Told TheBlaze

I'm not saying her version is true or I even believe this woman is real, but if we accept her as giving the officer's story, then she did say that he got told about the robbery, the description of the suspects, and noticed the cigars, and that was what made him go back after he had pulled ahead of them, and it makes sense.
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Interesting, the Blaze version of Josie's account is totally different than the CNN version.



From the Blaze...

"...Josie said Wilson first noticed Brown and his friend when they were walking in the middle of the street. She said Wilson told them to get out of the street and the two men yelled back at him, including some obscenities.

“He pulled up ahead of them. And he was watching them, and then he gets the call-in that there was a strong-arm robbery. And, they gave a description,” Josie told Loesch on Friday. “And, he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know those cigars or whatever.”

Police later released surveillance video and revealed that Brown was a suspect in a “strong-arm robbery” at a nearby convenience store.

The alleged friend of Wilson continued: “So he goes in reverse back to them, tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And, then he opened the car again, you know, he tried to get out. He stands up. And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face and then, of course, Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point, he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away, and the gun goes off.”......"
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CNN Now Reporting Potential Bombshell in Ferguson Shooting Regarding What Alleged Friend of Officer Darren Wilson Told TheBlaze



From CNN....

Josie: "They were walking in the middle of the street. He rolled his window down and said, 'Come on guys. Get out of the street.' They refused to and were yelling back, saying we're almost where we're going and there was some cussing involved."

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson also said Wilson approached Brown because he was "walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic."

Josie: "So he goes in reverse back to them. He tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael [Brown] did. Then he opens his car again and tries to get out and as he stands up Michael just bum rushes him, and just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face and then of course Darren grabs for his gun and Michael grabs the gun. At one point he's got the gun totally turned against his hip and then he shoves it away and the gun goes off."

"The genesis of this was a physical confrontation," St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said.

Wilson tries to exit his vehicle but Brown pushes him back into the car, according to the preliminary investigation, Belmar said.

Brown physically assaults the police officer and there is a struggle over the officer's gun, Belmar said.

A shot is fired inside the police car....."
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What happened when Michael Brown met Officer Darren Wilson - CNN.com


Getting the call about a robbery does give credence as to why the officer might suddenly put his cruiser into reverse and speed back to confront the two teens. I wonder why the CNN version left that bit out?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
What spotless record???
His whole police department was FIRED!
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Which has nothing to do with Wilson. In the court, they would call that, "circumstantial evidence". i.e it's worthless and doesn't prove jack ****.
 
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apdst said:
Which has nothing to do with Wilson. In the court, they would call that, "circumstantial evidence". i.e it's worthless and doesn't prove jack ****.
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I don't even think they'd call that circumstantial evidence. What it is, is meaningless. We don't play the guilt by association, a=b=c nonsense in court.

They have to prove that Wilson intentionally killed Brown. (Bonus points for Holder if he can pin a "hate crime" charge on him)
 
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tres borrachos said:
I don't even think they'd call that circumstantial evidence. What it is, is meaningless. We don't play the guilt by association, a=b=c nonsense in court.

They have to prove that Wilson intentionally killed Brown. (Bonus points for Holder if he can pin a "hate crime" charge on him)
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I'm just saying that no one can claim Wilson had a spotless record as a cop.
He DIDN'T.
The entire police force of Jennings Mo was fired for insensitive and poor relations with the residents of the mostly black town.
Wilson was on that force.
Wilson was fired for cause.
Wilson didn't apply for a position on the new police force in Jennings. Hmmm I wonder why...
He went one town over and got a job in Ferguson on a police force with similar problems.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I'm just saying that no one can claim Wilson had a spotless record as a cop.
He DIDN'T.
The entire police force of Jennings Mo was fired for insensitive and poor relations with the residents of the mostly black town.
Wilson was on that force.
Wilson was fired for cause.
Wilson didn't apply for a position on the new police force in Jennings. Hmmm I wonder why...
He went one town over and got a job in Ferguson on a police force with similar problems.
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If there is anything in his record from his time there, it will come out in court. If not, then what happened isn't going to be relevant.

If the entire police force was "fired for insensitive and poor relations with the residents of the mostly black town", that doesn't mean they were all murderers. Surely you know that.

Maybe he didn't reapply because he didn't want to work there anymore. That happens, you know...people leave jobs and take another one.
 
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Texmex said:
Well, an admitted thief has already told the truth since he admitted to telling the truth. This cop hasn't had the balls to say anything, yet. I guess he needs to get his lie straight before going public.
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How many times was Johnson interviewed before he admitted to the robbery? 6?
 
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apdst said:
How many times was Johnson interviewed before he admitted to the robbery? 6?
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Do we know if he knew whether he was going to be charged or not at the time?
 
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tres borrachos said:
If there is anything in his record from his time there, it will come out in court. If not, then what happened isn't going to be relevant.

If the entire police force was "fired for insensitive and poor relations with the residents of the mostly black town", that doesn't mean they were all murderers. Surely you know that.

Maybe he didn't reapply because he didn't want to work there anymore. That happens, you know...people leave jobs and take another one.
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No... he didn't become a murderer until he moved to Ferguson.
 
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apdst said:
Which has nothing to do with Wilson. In the court, they would call that, "circumstantial evidence". i.e it's worthless and doesn't prove jack ****.
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That he was fired and why he was fired relate directly to this case.
It will be brought up ... his defense will object and it will be allowed.
 
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JC_CT said:
Do we know if he knew whether he was going to be charged or not at the time?
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What difference does that make?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
That he was fired and why he was fired relate directly to this case.
It will be brought up ... his defense will object and it will be allowed.
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Wilson, specifically was fired? Link for that and a link showing WHY Wilson, specifically, was fired. Thanks!
 
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JC_CT said:
Do we know if he knew whether he was going to be charged or not at the time?
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Dorion Johnson has never been charged with anything related to the convenience store cigar theft.
It was apparently deemed by the Ferguson police that he was not an accomplice to the petty theft.
 
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apdst said:
Wilson, specifically was fired? Link for that and a link showing WHY Wilson, specifically, was fired. Thanks!
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The entire Jennings police force was fired for cause.
Wilson was part of that mass firing.
Officer Darren Wilson Began Career At Disgraced Police Department:
The Ferguson police officer who shot unarmed teen Michael Brown had worked at a department that was disbanded by authorities over racial tensions, the Washington Post reports.

Darren Wilson and the other officers at the Jennings, Missouri, police department lost their jobs three years ago. Wilson was a rookie cop at the time.

The newspaper described the old Jennings Police Department as "a mainly white department mired in controversy and notorious for its fraught relationship with residents, especially the African American majority... not an ideal place to learn how to police."

The city council deemed tensions between officers and black residents so bad that it was necessary to fire everyone and build a new, more credible department from scratch.
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Officer Darren Wilson Began Career At Disgraced Police Department: Report
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...c796f0-2a45-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html
 
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apdst said:
So, nothing specifically detailing any wrong doing committed by Wilson, himself? Why am I not surprised that you have NOTHING in that regard?
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He got his notice of termination along with all the officers, for the same reasons they did.
They were all bad cops and the town council did not make an exception for Wilson.
I'm sure that if he got a commendation with all his other fellow officers in Jennings you would be blowing that horn.
 
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apdst said:
So, nothing specifically detailing any wrong doing committed by Wilson, himself? Why am I not surprised that you have NOTHING in that regard?
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I'll bet the city council disbanded the entire police force because of that rookie. I'll bet Wilson was just going hog wild, shooting at black people for the whole few months he was on that force.

Except, of course, for this, reported by WaPo:

Officials say Wilson kept a clean record without any disciplinary action…

Oh wait...that doesn't fit into the narrative.
 
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apdst said:
How many times was Johnson interviewed before he admitted to the robbery? 6?
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Why would anyone admit to taking part in a petty theft if he didn't? Dorian has never been charged .
 
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