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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Do you know that Grand Jury's aren't impaneled unless the DA thinks that there's a case. And that they believe that they can demonstrate to the panel that there is, in this case, probable cause that the officer wrongly shot and killed Brown?

To be honest I think that DAs sometimes use a grand jury to avoid taking risks. That doesn't mean that there isn't a case. It only means that I think a DA without any balls will defer to a grand jury. In this case I think is the smart thing for a DA to do.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

World-renowned forensic pathologist vs. "buck"

Gee, that's a tough choice. :lamo
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

"If “more than a dozen” witnesses back Wilson’s claim, that would outnumber the four witnesses who say that Wilson shot Brown as he was surrendering.

Johnson, who was with Brown in the store during the alleged strong-arm robbery, said that Brown was running away as he was shot. But he did not mention that incident in the convenience store when he told the media about the shooting.

Two other witnesses said that Brown was fleeing Wilson after their altercation in the cruiser. As Wilson was shooting, Brown turned around while holding his hands up to surrender, the witnesses have claimed.

A fourth witness has told the media that when Brown surrendered he fell down to his knees with his hands up.

One neighborhood eye-witness gave a different version of events.

The man was unwittingly recorded on a video posted to YouTube in which he is overheard saying that he saw Wilson firing and possibly missing. He said that he saw Brown turn around and then begin moving or running towards Wilson."
Report: Over A Dozen Witnesses Back Darren Wilson's Story | The Daily Caller

The man who was unwittingly recorded is most interesting since he was casually chatting with a gentleman explaining what had transpired, little did he know his words would be played over and over again in the media.

Thanks to the Progressives Today for paring it down from a 10:25 min to a 39 second piece

WARNING: This video is very graphic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prrydnTAly0

Here's there conversation-

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he coming back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

but he kept coming toward him
He could have been describing Wilson moving towards Brown.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

But they haven't and that has nothing to do with you pulling out the race card. The race card just hurts your credibility. I don't believe anyone on either side at this point so nobody gets any credibility at this point.
The "race card" isn't a "get-out-of-jail free card" for thinly veiled racism.

The complete dismissal of multiple eyewitness accounts that agree on the majority of relevant and significant aspects of the incident, because for no logical reason they are deemed biased, is racism. Pretending that blacks and whites are on equal footing and that we all have a fair shot is racism. Pretending that our nation wasn't built on the backs of slaves so that rich white landowners could contemplate freedom is racism.

I'm really not sorry if that offends you or anyone else.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Of plueeze...

No, DA's are ALWAYS impartial and NEVER motivated by "probable cause" or a Political axe to grind.

Are you THAT naive ??

Former Duke Prosecutor Nifong Disbarred - ABC News

"Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong has been disbarred after being found guilty of a battery of ethics violations for his handling of the Duke Lacrosse investigation, a North Carolina Bar disciplinary committee announced Saturday evening.

"We are in unanimous agreement that there is no discipline short of disbarment that would be appropiate in this case," said F. Lane Williamson, the committee's chairman.

Before the panel announced its punishment, Nifong said he believed disbarment would be appropriate and that he planned to waive all rights to appeal the findings of the bar panel, his attorney David Freedman said in court Saturday afternoon."



We have perhaps thousands of DA's across the country Impaneling Grand Jury's daily and you wish to paint them all by this one example. Have any evidence that THIS DA is politically motivated in THIS case?

Fenton, I have to side with Monte on this one. It is the smart thing for the DA to do in this case. Has nothing do to with politics and everything to do with the high profile visibility of the case.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Let me give this rational thinking you speak of a try:

So we have a police department that has lost the trust of the community because it has a documented history of abuse of authority, excessive force, and blatent displays of disrespect (I'll repost the links to those below), and additionally, exhibits a statistically-evident bias towards blacks when conducting traffic stops ( 21 Numbers That Will Help You Understand Why Ferguson Is About More Than Michael Brown). Based on the above context, the appropriate conclusion to reach is that THE COMMUNITY can't be trusted?

How did I do?

I think you're doing quite well, actually. lol Welcome to DP. :)
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Brown's clothes would tell the range. Baden didn't have access to the clothes.

Clothes would tell the range.. But htat doesn't negate that if it was as close as Brown reaching in the car when Brown was shot in the chest (as claimed by Johnson).. The skin would have told the range. The wound would have had stippling from the gunpowder.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

but he kept coming toward him
He could have been describing Wilson moving towards Brown.
I need a nonconservative perspective, because I really am not trusting my own hearing at this point. Did you actually hear that being said, unmistakably, in the video?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Let me give this rational thinking you speak of a try:

So we have a police department that has lost the trust of the community because it has a documented history of abuse of authority, excessive force, and blatent displays of disrespect (I'll repost the links to those below), and additionally, exhibits a statistically-evident bias towards blacks when conducting traffic stops ( 21 Numbers That Will Help You Understand Why Ferguson Is About More Than Michael Brown). Based on the above context, the appropriate conclusion to reach is that THE COMMUNITY can't be trusted?

How did I do?

Not worth a damn. The minute you posted a link to Huffpo you lost me. That is as bad as a post from Fox news.

I do give you credit for using the word "disrespect" correctly. It drives me nuts when people use that word as a verb in past tense (disrespected).
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Not worth a damn. The minute you posted a link to Huffpo you lost me. That is as bad as a post from Fox news.

I do give you credit for using the word "disrespect" correctly. It drives me nuts when people use that word as a verb in past tense (disrespected).
I'd link the actual AG report, but I'm afraid that nobody would bother to do the math...
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Of plueeze...No, DA's are ALWAYS impartial and NEVER motivated by "probable cause" or a Political axe to grind.

Are you THAT naive ??

First the citizens of Ferguson are against this cop. Then the media is against this cop. Now you are saying that the District Attorney has an ax to grind?

Are you and officer Wilson engaged?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

but he kept coming toward him
He could have been describing Wilson moving towards Brown.

Thanks for listening Buck, maybe but not likely. When # 2 man mentions the police, he says the police.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Who has more credibility? A cop with a spotless service record, or an admitted thief? Hmm!
Given his history? I'd take word of the shoplifter.


FERGUSON, Mo. — The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.

That was three years ago. One of the officers who worked in that department, and lost his job along with everyone else, was a young man named Darren Wilson.

Some of the Jennings officers reapplied for their jobs, but Wilson got a job in the police department in the nearby city of Ferguson.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

I'd link the actual AG report, but I'm afraid that nobody would bother to do the math...

Well, the AG is subject to scrutiny also. I am going to wait for some actual reports to come out. I don't trust law enforcement (on their face) and I don't trust........ Well, I don't trust anyone actually, except good friends and family.

I have been blind sides by too many clients lying to me to believe anyone without the actual documentation. I don't put anything past anyone I guess.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

None of which has any effect on Wilson's spotles record. Brown was a robber.

Oh yeah...post links supporting those claims. Thanks!

What spotless record???
His whole police department was FIRED!
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Given his history? I'd take word of the shoplifter.

Buck, are you going to the pig roast tomorrow? If so I will buy you a whiskey.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Well, the AG is subject to scrutiny also. I am going to wait for some actual reports to come out. I don't trust law enforcement (on their face) and I don't trust........ Well, I don't trust anyone actually, except good friends and family.

I have been blind sides by too many clients lying to me to believe anyone without the actual documentation. I don't put anything past anyone I guess.
That's fine if you want to question the AG, I can't completely defend it because I didn't prepare the report, although I can call out hypocracy if it is evident that it is being dismissed due to the evidence it provides (not saying that is the case with you, don't know you well enough).

However, dismissing it because HuffPo was willing to actually report on it is idiocy. The report is from the state attorney general, public record, and relevant to the context of the situation. Therefore, it shouldn't be hard to find some conservative but fair news outlets that have written about it, right? Fox?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

That's fine if you want to question the AG, I can't completely defend it because I didn't prepare the report, although I can call out hypocracy if it is evident that it is being dismissed due to the evidence it provides (not saying that is the case with you, don't know you well enough).

However, dismissing it because HuffPo was willing to actually report on it is idiocy. The report is from the state attorney general, public record, and relevant to the context of the situation. Therefore, it shouldn't be hard to find some conservative but fair news outlets that have written about it, right? Fox?

Wait, I will read the report. I thought you meant the US AG. Holder has no credence. The problem with Huffpo is they spin and I hate spin, regardless what side it is on.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Wait, I will read the report. I thought you meant the US AG. Holder has no credence. The problem with Huffpo is they spin and I hate spin, regardless what side it is on.
Everyone spins. HuffPo falls left of center for sure, and yes they generally do spin, but off a credible base.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

He was not shot for jaywalking (although possible, not probable at all). That is hyperbole. In all likelihood, they were stopped the second time (which is pretty much even part of Johnson's story) because Wilson realized they fit the description of the robbery suspects that he either a) just got or b) simply didn't notice similarities til he went to drive away. Whether the robbery actually occurred or not would not change the fact that if he just got a report to be on the lookout for a couple of guys who reportedly robbed a store and he realized that these guys that he just talked to about walking in the street matched the description he had, then he very well likely would have backed up to detain them. The next likely step is that they resisted his detaining them. He then has cause to stop them, particularly if one of them punched him in the face. No clue if Brown also went for his gun. That too though would be another probable reason to consider Brown dangerous. You never reach for a police officer's gun. That gives them cause to shoot you, and it is normally enough to justify lethal force in an already hostile situation.

If the officer thought MB was a robbery suspect then why didn't his story mention anything about a robbery or robbery suspects?
 
Oh dear lord, your'e going to hurt yourself.

No, " Normal " 18 year olds do NOT participate in strong armed robberies.

No, he didn't " lose his temper " either. I mean, what the hell is wrong with you ?
Are you seriously trying to say he got mad because the shop owner DARE ask him NOT to steal his merchandise ????

Are you being " sarcastic ", because that was not a example of someone " losing their temper ".

That was an example of a thug bullying a Clerk while committing a strong arm robbery.

I can hear it now.

Had Brown not been shot and instead was arrested for this crime, his lawyer would simply explain to the nice Judge and Jury " My Client is a NORMAL 18 who just lost his temper."

" Oh well then by all means, Balliff remove the cuffs. "

Ridiculous.

Given Brown's total lack of priors he would most likely be set free on probation.
 
And let's please not pretend like the NYT didn't report on August 19 that law enforcement officials confirmed that Wilson fired his weapon as Brown was running away from him but all of the shots missed, and that nobody has even refuted that law enforcement provided that information, let alone it's accuracy.

And yet, how many posts in this particular thread alone, which was started on August 26, make the assertion that all shots were fired towards Brown's front?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Everyone spins. HuffPo falls left of center for sure, and yes they generally do spin, but off a credible base.

Okay, I looked at the report. It looks like they have the same problem as a city I used to live in. The white officer to black officer percentage is hugely skewed in relation to the population. That is a problem in so many ways. I have a friend that is black and she retired from the Aurora PD. She was handed a KKK pamphlet once. It wasn't because they wanted to include her in their membership. It was a warning. She and her husband are like second parents to me. She is good people. They tried to hang her ass out in an undercover operation and she side stepped the sting. It saved her life. I can see where you are coming from but I am still going to wait to see how this shakes out. Like I said, I don't trust law enforcement just because they are law enforcement. Anyone that would do that is naive.

As for Huffpo, I will read information from just about anywhere but HuffPo. We can agree to disagree on the HuffPo thing. :)
 
Oh but I disagree.

He's stupid/crazy enough to throw his life away by commuting a Felony strong arm robbery on VIDEO and attack an officer and attempt to wrestle away his Pistol . ( You left the bolded part out for some reason.......)
Allegedly.
 
I haven't had a cigarette in 14 days and all you folks are making me cranky.
 
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