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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Who was the witness?

The coroner didn't find any gun powder residue on Brown's hands or any sign of a struggle on his body.

The coroner has NOT released any details or reports yet. I think you are referring to the autopsy report form the guy that the family hired. That doctor did not get the opportunity to examine the clothing as the clothing is evidence and locked up.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

From your link:

However, that’s something of a dubious title according to forensic pathologist Dr. Erik Mitchell.

“That is a degree that does not exist in my knowledge, except in the mind of Shawn Parcells,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Dr. Mitchell takes issue with Parcells’ title.

“You cannot claim the title, because it is a formal, licensable position. You can assist somebody; in this way I can say, for instance, I have paid my taxes, so I am an assistant President of the United States,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Parcells admits he has no certification as a pathology assistant, but says his qualification comes from experience.

“I worked there as a forensic assistant for about a year. And if I remember correctly that was 2005 to 2006. That was under Dr. Young,” Parcells said.

That’s Dr. Thomas Young, the former Jackson County Medical Examiner.

“And that’s honestly where I gained a lot of my experience,” Parcells said.

Parcells says his training began in 1997 when he interned with Dr. Young, until he was hired in the mid-2000’s.

Dr. Young responded with this statement:

“Shawn hung out at the Jackson County Medical Examiner’s office but was not trained by me.”…. “He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so.”

“He has none of the qualifications that are required. He has experience as a morgue technician, somebody who would move bodies around, clean up after an autopsy,” Dr. Mitchell said.


Um, woah. That guy will be eaten alive by the Defense Attorneys if he is presented at trial as a witness for the Prosecution.

Good catch.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

That's all well and good, but as the private autopsy reveals there was no stippling, it would mean he wasn't shot at close range. Stippling to a wound won't occur simply from a gun being shot in close proximity.. It would be caused by a gun being pointed at an individual. This isn't simply gunpowder being spread around.. It's gunpowder being expelled at high temp and at an individual that the powder penetrates and causes wounds/burns. Very different from what you are describing.

Hmm...Dr. Baden says he would need to see the clothing to make a determination as to whether Brown was shot at close range, but you say that you know that he wasn't shot at close range after seeing to the results of the autopsy performed by said Dr. Baden.

World-renowned forensic pathologist vs. "buck"
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Yes. You know, because both the shooter and the target were moving. Ridiculous, right? Black people say the darnedest things [when providing eye witness accounts of a homicide].

You sure like that race card, since nobody said anything about the witnesses being black.
 
LOL !!!

He tried to PAY ?? Didnt his attorney ADMIT that he and Dorian Johnson participated in a Robbery ?

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Didn't bother to watch the video either, did you? And no, it was Johnson's attorney that said that Johnson admitted it, and while if you watched the video you would see that Johnson was not at a vantage point to see everything that occurred over the counter, you would also know if you could read properly that I never said Brown didn't steal something, I said he looks like a normal 18 year old who lost his temper.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

You sure like that race card, since nobody said anything about the witnesses being black.

Nobody says anything about the numerous eyewitnesses because it doesn't support their narrative that Wilson is innocent. The only witness anyone here is talking about is Johnson and that is clearly because it is easy to attack his credibility on the surface. Silence speaks volumes.

All it would take is a single white person to come out and say they were an eyewitness and agree with Wilson's version, and all the skeletons would come falling out the closet.
 
This about sums it up.

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LOL !!!

He tried to PAY ?? Didnt his attorney ADMIT that he and Dorian Johnson participated in a Robbery ?

The store owner's attorney also said it was a theft. When he tried to reach over the counter - which some have claimed was him paying - he was actually attempting to take more cigars.
 
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Didn't bother to watch the video either, did you? And no, it was Johnson's attorney that said that Johnson admitted it, and while if you watched the video you would see that Johnson was not at a vantage point to see everything that occurred over the counter, you would also know if you could read properly that I never said Brown didn't steal something, I said he looks like a normal 18 year old who lost his temper.

Oh dear lord, your'e going to hurt yourself.

No, " Normal " 18 year olds do NOT participate in strong armed robberies.

No, he didn't " lose his temper " either. I mean, what the hell is wrong with you ?
Are you seriously trying to say he got mad because the shop owner DARE ask him NOT to steal his merchandise ????

Are you being " sarcastic ", because that was not a example of someone " losing their temper ".

That was an example of a thug bullying a Clerk while committing a strong arm robbery.

I can hear it now.

Had Brown not been shot and instead was arrested for this crime, his lawyer would simply explain to the nice Judge and Jury " My Client is a NORMAL 18 who just lost his temper."

" Oh well then by all means, Balliff remove the cuffs. "

Ridiculous.
 
Oh dear lord, your'e going to hurt yourself.

No, " Normal " 18 year olds do NOT participate in strong armed robberies.

No, he didn't " lose his temper " either. I mean, what the hell is wrong with you ?
Are you seriously trying to say he got mad because the shop owner DARE ask him NOT to steal his merchandise ????

Are you being " sarcastic ", because that was not a example of someone " losing their temper ".

That was an example of a thug bullying a Clerk while committing a strong arm robbery.

I can hear it now.

Had Brown not been shot and instead was arrested for this crime, his lawyer would simply explain to the nice Judge and Jury " My Client is a NORMAL 18 who just lost his temper."

" Oh well then by all means, Balliff remove the cuffs. "

Ridiculous.

Again, I'm sure you haven't bothered to watch the new video, because the old one served your purpose. So let's just get these issues out of the way, so we can stop fighting straw men:

No, my point is not that the clerk didn't have a right to defend his merchandise.
No, my point is not that it is ok to steal.
No, my point is not that all 18 year olds commit strong-armed robbery, although I'm sure a relatively significant percentage of young adults have committed petty theft in their lives and were just never caught or got off with a slap on the wrist and having to give back the merchandise (this is anecdotal, but I used to see it literally every day when I was working at a major grocery chain in high school).

My point is that you do not see Brown exhibit behavior that indicates that he is the right combination of violent, crazy and stupid to run head first at a man who is pointing his gun at him and has already shot at him, unless you REALLY want to believe that is what happened. Then I suppose you can see anything you want to see...like a man so hopped up on drugs that he would take every bullet you send ripping through his flesh and would continue charging you without hesitation or regard for his own well being until only a bullet through the top of his skull can put him down, for example.

I didn't see any indication whatsoever that he was under the influence of those kind of drugs in the new video, either.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Nobody says anything about the numerous eyewitnesses because it doesn't support their narrative that Wilson is innocent. The only witness anyone here is talking about is Johnson and that is clearly because it is easy to attack his credibility on the surface. Silence speaks volumes.

All it would take is a single white person to come out and say they were an eyewitness and agree with Wilson's version, and all the skeletons would come falling out the closet.

yeah, that could be it.

or it could be that a robbery suspect who just assaulted a police officer who ends up shot and killed doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, especially when all the shots were in front. You have to have impeachable evidence to fight that narrative pal, not a couple of eyewitnesses. However since we all see the huge rift between the black citizens of Ferguson and the police, it's safe to assume any eyewitness account would be heavily biased toward the victim.

it's called rational thinking. try it some time.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

yeah, that could be it.

or it could be that a robbery suspect who just assaulted a police officer who ends up shot and killed doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, especially when all the shots were in front. You have to have impeachable evidence to fight that pal, not a couple of eyewitnesses. However since we all see the huge rift between the black citizens of Ferguson and the police, it's safe to assume any eyewitness account would be heavily biased toward the victim.

it's called rational thinking. try it some time.

Do you know that Grand Jury's aren't impaneled unless the DA thinks that there's a case. And that they believe that they can demonstrate to the panel that there is, in this case, probable cause that the officer wrongly shot and killed Brown?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Do you know that Grand Jury's aren't impaneled unless the DA thinks that there's a case. And that they believe that they can demonstrate to the panel that there is, in this case, probable cause that the officer wrongly shot and killed Brown?

Of plueeze...

No, DA's are ALWAYS impartial and NEVER motivated by "probable cause" or a Political axe to grind.

Are you THAT naive ??

Former Duke Prosecutor Nifong Disbarred - ABC News

"Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong has been disbarred after being found guilty of a battery of ethics violations for his handling of the Duke Lacrosse investigation, a North Carolina Bar disciplinary committee announced Saturday evening.

"We are in unanimous agreement that there is no discipline short of disbarment that would be appropiate in this case," said F. Lane Williamson, the committee's chairman.

Before the panel announced its punishment, Nifong said he believed disbarment would be appropriate and that he planned to waive all rights to appeal the findings of the bar panel, his attorney David Freedman said in court Saturday afternoon."
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Of plueeze...

No, DA's are ALWAYS impartial and NEVER motivated by "probable cause" or a Political axe to grind.

Are you THAT naive ??

Former Duke Prosecutor Nifong Disbarred - ABC News

"Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong has been disbarred after being found guilty of a battery of ethics violations for his handling of the Duke Lacrosse investigation, a North Carolina Bar disciplinary committee announced Saturday evening.

"We are in unanimous agreement that there is no discipline short of disbarment that would be appropiate in this case," said F. Lane Williamson, the committee's chairman.

Before the panel announced its punishment, Nifong said he believed disbarment would be appropriate and that he planned to waive all rights to appeal the findings of the bar panel, his attorney David Freedman said in court Saturday afternoon."

We have perhaps thousands of DA's across the country Impaneling Grand Jury's daily and you wish to paint them all by this one example. Have any evidence that THIS DA is politically motivated in THIS case?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

yeah, that could be it.

or it could be that a robbery suspect who just assaulted a police officer who ends up shot and killed doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, especially when all the shots were in front. You have to have impeachable evidence to fight that narrative pal, not a couple of eyewitnesses. However since we all see the huge rift between the black citizens of Ferguson and the police, it's safe to assume any eyewitness account would be heavily biased toward the victim.

it's called rational thinking. try it some time.

Let me give this rational thinking you speak of a try:

So we have a police department that has lost the trust of the community because it has a documented history of abuse of authority, excessive force, and blatent displays of disrespect (I'll repost the links to those below), and additionally, exhibits a statistically-evident bias towards blacks when conducting traffic stops ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/ferguson-black-america_n_5694364.html). Based on the above context, the appropriate conclusion to reach is that THE COMMUNITY can't be trusted?

How did I do?

 
Again, I'm sure you haven't bothered to watch the new video, because the old one served your purpose. So let's just get these issues out of the way, so we can stop fighting straw men:

No, my point is not that the clerk didn't have a right to defend his merchandise.
No, my point is not that it is ok to steal.
No, my point is not that all 18 year olds commit strong-armed robbery, although I'm sure a relatively significant percentage of young adults have committed petty theft in their lives and were just never caught or got off with a slap on the wrist and having to give back the merchandise (this is anecdotal, but I used to see it literally every day when I was working at a major grocery chain in high school).

My point is that you do not see Brown exhibit behavior that indicates that he is the right combination of violent, crazy and stupid to run head first at a man who is pointing his gun at him and has already shot at him, unless you REALLY want to believe that is what happened. Then I suppose you can see anything you want to see...like a man so hopped up on drugs that he would take every bullet you send ripping through his flesh and would continue charging you without hesitation or regard for his own well being until only a bullet through the top of his skull can put him down, for example.

I didn't see any indication whatsoever that he was under the influence of those kind of drugs in the new video, either.

Oh but I disagree.

He's stupid/crazy enough to throw his life away by commuting a Felony strong arm robbery on VIDEO and attack an officer and attempt to wrestle away his Pistol . ( You left the bolded part out for some reason.......)
 
Oh but I disagree.

He's stupid/crazy enough to throw his life away by commuting a Felony strong arm robbery on VIDEO and attack an officer and attempt to wrestle away his Pistol . ( You left the bolded part out for some reason.......)

Because the only evidence we have of that is the Officer's account? See my last post above, and stop ignoring the fact that every department that Wilson has been a part of has been corrupt. Or is the argument now that he is the one person in America that is completely immune to organizational culture?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Let me give this rational thinking you speak of a try:

So we have a police department that has lost the trust of the community because it has a documented history of abuse of authority, excessive force, and blatent displays of disrespect (I'll repost the links to those below), and additionally, exhibits a statistically-evident bias towards blacks when conducting traffic stops ( 21 Numbers That Will Help You Understand Why Ferguson Is About More Than Michael Brown). Based on the above context, the appropriate conclusion to reach is that THE COMMUNITY can't be trusted?

How did I do?


You DO realize Huff Po is a highly biased liberal " news-site " don't you ? Or do you not care about linking to objective resources ?

Because if that's all your going to do you could just drop that pretense and camp out at The Democrat Underground, where they don't allow counter arguments, or intelligent debate, or intelligence at all for that matter.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Look. didn't the eye witness say Brown was shot in the back. He didn't say shot from behind. Also, show me where I am misinformed. What has been released by the medical examers is all entry wounds were from the front and not the back.

Like I said. Witness testimony must be backed up with other evidence.

Unless you have interviewed the witness, your explanation is opinon.

Wait for the investigation report to come out.

(your example reminds me of stuff on the CT sites where a witness said they heard an explosion in a building fire. To the CT people explosions = explosives).

BACK of the arm fits.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

You DO realize Huff Po is a highly biased liberal " news-site " don't you ? Or do you not care about linking to objective resources ?

Because if that's all your going to do you could just drop that pretense and camp out at The Democrat Underground, where they don't allow counter arguments, or intelligent debate, or intelligence at all for that matter.
You are really suffering from that "no click" syndrome that is going around. The HuffPo article I just added directly linked to the PDF file of the 2013 racial profiling report prepared by the MO attorney general.

And you are questioning my objectivity?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

So let me make sure I understand this correctly. You are basing your claim on:
1. A hypothetical situation that there is a plethora of witnesses in support of Wilson's version for which the only evidence whatsoever is a single rogue tweet by a reporter who has been on FMLA for six months.
2. Three eyewitnesses that we know actually exist and who all give similar accounts that directly contradict your assertion.
3. The transcript of the "game changer" video which doesn't actually match the what was said in the video, specifically the line "but he kept coming toward him" which was never said but to which you have taken the liberty of adding "or running."

Does that about cover it?

Actually no, I merely answered your question and you grabbed on to some irrelevant information I posted with 1 and 2 as I knew you would.

I only was interested in the very last line in which I directed my comment.

You didn't listen the video to the end, try again particularly at the 35 mark "but he kept coming toward him" which was said

I switched out the video to a shorten version as I didn't really want to post the ugly whole thing, forgot to delete the last line of text. I did not take the liberty of adding anything.
Go here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyEoNbJYMsE advance to the 7:40 mark

witness says - The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

The reason why this is important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he moved towards Wilson instead of surrendering, it would support the narrative that Wilson shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm.
 
Because the only evidence we have of that is the Officer's account? See my last post above, and stop ignoring the fact that every department that Wilson has been a part of has been corrupt. Or is the argument now that he is the one person in America that is completely immune to organizational culture?

Lol...

Yes, the Officer bumped his noggin on the side view mirror so hard ( when he bolted out of the cruiser blasting away at two innocent " children " :roll: ) that he fractured his orbital socket....

NO ONE believes Johnsons lies anymore ( the door was accidentally kicked close )

Brown had just assaulted a small Clerk, so I'm going to assume ( Ill be proven right of-course ) that Brown attacked the officer and attempted to wrestle away his pistol
 
Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

By Holly Yan, CNN
updated 12:36 AM EDT, Tue August 26, 2014


[...]

In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.

"I personally heard at least 11" shots, the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon.

The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, Blumenthal said.

He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.

[...]
Lawyer: Audio shows 11 shots when Michael Brown killed - CNN.com


11 Shots in 5 seconds.
Short pause between 6 and the other five. Likely Brown was still coming at him.
Just more evidence.
The only thing this MIGHT prove ("might" because I don't think an attorney counts as expert gunshot listener or whatever, for all I know they were echos or something) is that there were 11 gunshots.

That is all.

It does not have any information about the locations or activity of anyone in the area, unless you're talking some high-tech acoustical analysis or some crap like you might see on one of those investigative TV shows and the like.

So while you may take this info as proving your opinion on the subject, someone else could (and has, in the thread, already) taken it as proving the opposite.
 
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