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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

No I point to facts and offer up my opinions based on those facts.


No, you present your opinion as fact and then when you're called on it, you acquiesce. ( " my bad " )
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

From your link:

However, that’s something of a dubious title according to forensic pathologist Dr. Erik Mitchell.

“That is a degree that does not exist in my knowledge, except in the mind of Shawn Parcells,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Dr. Mitchell takes issue with Parcells’ title.

“You cannot claim the title, because it is a formal, licensable position. You can assist somebody; in this way I can say, for instance, I have paid my taxes, so I am an assistant President of the United States,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Parcells admits he has no certification as a pathology assistant, but says his qualification comes from experience.

“I worked there as a forensic assistant for about a year. And if I remember correctly that was 2005 to 2006. That was under Dr. Young,” Parcells said.

That’s Dr. Thomas Young, the former Jackson County Medical Examiner.

“And that’s honestly where I gained a lot of my experience,” Parcells said.

Parcells says his training began in 1997 when he interned with Dr. Young, until he was hired in the mid-2000’s.

Dr. Young responded with this statement:

“Shawn hung out at the Jackson County Medical Examiner’s office but was not trained by me.”…. “He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so.”

“He has none of the qualifications that are required. He has experience as a morgue technician, somebody who would move bodies around, clean up after an autopsy,” Dr. Mitchell said.


Um, woah. That guy will be eaten alive by the Defense Attorneys if he is presented at trial as a witness for the Prosecution.
Baden did the autopsy . Baden will testify.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

I believe the evidence is against Wilson. The three second gap may cost him his freedom.

We don!t even know if the audio is legit.
 
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We don!t even know if the audio is legit.
We dont, but it probably is. Nobody would intentionally stage the ridiculous web-cam stripper conversation. It could be from a real, unrelated shooting, but there is also someone on the other end of the web cam, IP records, records from the video chat service, etc.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

but there is also someone on the other end of the web cam, IP records, records from the video chat service, etc.

To clarify, meaning we will find out soon enough.
 
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Yup, I get that. But weren't we taking about Parcells?
I heard the janitor that cleaned the lab the night before didn't have a medical license either. Allegedly.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

We dont, but it probably is. Nobody would intentionally stage the ridiculous web-cam stripper conversation. It could be from a real, unrelated shooting, but there is also someone on the other end of the web cam, IP records, records from the video chat service, etc.

People are already calling bull****...at CNN!

Two legal guests tell CNN their Brown shooting audio might be a hoax « Hot Air

Not to mention, CNN admitted the audio can't be verified AND the audio didn't follow the rules of evidence.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Being "shot from behind" is not inconsistent with being "shot in the back".
If you saw someone walking away from another who was shooting a pistol at them and you saw that someone jerk their body with one of the gunshots.You would describe what you saw as someone shot in the back.
It's not pointing to an anatomical location so much it is a description of the way a coward would try to kill.

Look. didn't the eye witness say Brown was shot in the back. He didn't say shot from behind. Also, show me where I am misinformed. What has been released by the medical examers is all entry wounds were from the front and not the back.

Like I said. Witness testimony must be backed up with other evidence.

Unless you have interviewed the witness, your explanation is opinon.

Wait for the investigation report to come out.

(your example reminds me of stuff on the CT sites where a witness said they heard an explosion in a building fire. To the CT people explosions = explosives).
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

People are already calling bull****...at CNN!

Two legal guests tell CNN their Brown shooting audio might be a hoax « Hot Air

Not to mention, CNN admitted the audio can't be verified AND the audio didn't follow the rules of evidence.

Hmmm.....interesting. I've watched some of CNN lately and they keep giving the "we can't confirm if this is real" caveat. I mean, repeatedly and every time they show it.

I wonder when CNN is going back to their obsession over the missing airplane, Nancy Grace will go back to snorting about "Tot Mom", and they will be calling Presidential races early and incorrectly.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Look. didn't the eye witness say Brown was shot in the back. He didn't say shot from behind. Also, show me where I am misinformed. What has been released by the medical examers is all entry wounds were from the front and not the back.

Like I said. Witness testimony must be backed up with other evidence.

Unless you have interviewed the witness, your explanation is opinon.

Wait for the investigation report to come out.

(your example reminds me of stuff on the CT sites where a witness said they heard an explosion in a building fire. To the CT people explosions = explosives).

"The eye witness"? There are numerous eye witnesses. The fact that they saw/heard shots being fired with Brown's back turned and mistakenly concluded that he was hit does not discredit their accounts. It's a perfectly natural conclusion to go from "shots fired at someone" to "someone was shot."

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" is completely consistent with a number of the wounds shown on the autopsy sketch? Or does the fact that Johnson had committed a petty theft a few years ago and gave police a false age and slightly different first name mean that we throw out his entire testimony, in spite of evidence that supports it?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

"The eye witness"? There are numerous eye witnesses. The fact that they saw/heard shots being fired with Brown's back turned and mistakenly concluded that he was hit does not discredit their accounts. It's a perfectly natural conclusion to go from "shots fired at someone" to "someone was shot."

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" is completely consistent with a number of the wounds shown on the autopsy sketch? Or does the fact that Johnson had committed a petty theft a few years ago and gave police a false age and slightly different first name mean that we throw out his entire testimony, in spite of evidence that supports it?

Actually, what would be consistent with the autopsy information, if he was struck by the first shot, the one in the car, would be that he was shot in the hand or the arm, which is possible and might explain the discrepancy in shots fired with a pause, as was described in the one personal video filmed right after that's on YouTube. There were no initial entry wounds in the chest area from the autopsy.

We need more evidence to determine this stuff.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" is completely consistent with a number of the wounds shown on the autopsy sketch? Or does the fact that Johnson had committed a petty theft a few years ago and gave police a false age and slightly different first name mean that we throw out his entire testimony, in spite of evidence that supports it?

Without more info, it seems unlikely. There would be blood - which would be very easy to determine - on the car or the cop. We haven't heard a thing about that.. And I suspect that would have come out by now.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Without more info, it seems unlikely. There would be blood - which would be very easy to determine - on the car or the cop. We haven't heard a thing about that.. And I suspect that would have come out by now.

I agree that there would be blood in or near the car if he did get shot there. However, I'm not sure if it would have come out yet. There are always parts of investigations that are not publicly released. And this particular piece of information wouldn't really help either way. It would just provide more material for people to speculate if it actually happened.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

"The eye witness"? There are numerous eye witnesses. The fact that they saw/heard shots being fired with Brown's back turned and mistakenly concluded that he was hit does not discredit their accounts. It's a perfectly natural conclusion to go from "shots fired at someone" to "someone was shot."

Has anyone mentioned the fact that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" is completely consistent with a number of the wounds shown on the autopsy sketch? Or does the fact that Johnson had committed a petty theft a few years ago and gave police a false age and slightly different first name mean that we throw out his entire testimony, in spite of evidence that supports it?

The witnesses are wrong and their accounts aren't discredited?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

The witnesses are wrong and their accounts aren't discredited?
You think they were lying because they all thought he was shot in the back when it turns out those shots missed? Is seeing whether a bullet is lodged in a person's body the same as seeing whether someone runs 30 feet at full speed?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

I agree that there would be blood in or near the car if he did get shot there. However, I'm not sure if it would have come out yet. There are always parts of investigations that are not publicly released. And this particular piece of information wouldn't really help either way. It would just provide more material for people to speculate if it actually happened.

Absolutely 1000% agree, rogue. In fact, it's pretty much par for the course for the police to withhold information intentionally, and there are valid reasons for it.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

You think they were lying because they all thought he was shot in the back when it turns out those shots missed? Is seeing whether a bullet is lodged in a person's body the same as seeing whether someone runs 30 feet at full speed?

Is that the story? The back shots missed? :lamo
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Is that the story? The back shots missed? :lamo
Yes. You know, because both the shooter and the target were moving. Ridiculous, right? Black people say the darnedest things [when providing eye witness accounts of a homicide].
 
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Has anyone mentioned the fact that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" is completely consistent with a number of the wounds shown on the autopsy sketch? Or does the fact that Johnson had committed a petty theft a few years ago and gave police a false age and slightly different first name mean that we throw out his entire testimony, in spite of evidence that supports it?

And I suspect that would have come out by now.

Why is that?

Dorian Johnson was singing like a bird of his first hand account of the situation, gave a full interview with CNN on tape and didn't bother to mention this so called "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area". This would have made a bigger impact on his lies that Brown was shot in the back while holding his hands up, which also did not occur.

Do you have anything to back up, that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" ?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

So far, as far as I've seen, there's been no evidence released that rules out two broad scenarios: One, that Darren Wilson was being charged and fired because he was being attacked, or two, that Michael Brown was kneeling with his hands up and was shot intentionally twice in the head by officer Wilson.

I hope that, at some point, we learn the exact heights of Brown and Wilson, and the exact trajectory of the bullets through his head. That will determine the relative positions of the two men at the time the fatal shots were fired. Until then, there is no way to rule out either scenario.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Dorian Johnson was singing like a bird of his first hand account of the situation, gave a full interview with CNN on tape and didn't bother to mention this so called "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area". This would have made a bigger impact on his lies that Brown was shot in the back while holding his hands up, which also did not occur.

Do you have anything to back up, that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" ?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1408/13/cnr.06.html
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot


Thanks for the link and yes indeed Johnson said it, but it's been proven to be wrong, Brown had no chest wounds. Appears Johnson enhanced the story for CNN, "I look in his window and I see he has his gun pointed at both of us. And when he fired his weapon, I moved seconds before he pulled the trigger. I saw the fire come out the barrel, and I instantly knew that it was a gun"

Strange how he 'instantly knew it was a gun' when seconds before he saw the gun pointed at both of them.


Johnson also said " At no point in time did they struggle over the weapon" when we now know Officer Wilson had a swollen face, which appears to be from a struggle.

Johnson also said to CNN -- "we were running, and I was able to hide myself behind the first vehicle that was up on the scene. And the officer then got out of his car. My friend, Big Mike, was still running, he ran past me and saw me in plain sight. He said to me verbatim -- he said, "Keep running, Bro," and he kept running,

And he fired a second shot and that struck my friend, Big Mike. And at that time, he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting. "

Yet no gun shots were found in Browns back, as Johnson said were fired before Brown turned around.

Dorian Johnson's creditability was lost when he thought the no one saw what happened in the neighborhood that fatal day.
 
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