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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Kal'Stang said:
This scenario doesn't fit.

1st: As I stated earlier it is much harder to shoot a moving target than a standing one. If it had happened the way that you are stating here then the officer would have been able to hit the torso quite easily, even at 30ft away. Yet according to the Brown family coroner only one shot hit the torso and that was more closer to the arm than anything else.

2nd: Regarding your grazing shot comment. Experts can tell what direction a grazing shot comes from and according to the Brown family coroner all 6 shots came from the front. So Brown couldn't possibly have been running away when that grazing shot hit him. Here's a slight explanation here.

Here is the Brown families coroner's picture of where the shots were. You will note that not one perforation is on the back side of the arms, torso, neck or head.

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police can't hit **** at 30ft
they sure as hell won't hit a moving target at 30ft, which leads me to venture all the major impacts were from the last 5 shots.



47 shots fired !!
only 11 hits on a stationary target at less than 30 ft
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

RogueWarrior said:
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police can't hit **** at 30ft
they sure as hell won't hit a moving target at 30ft, which leads me to venture all the major impacts were from the last 5 shots.



47 shots fired !!
only 11 hits on a stationary target at less than 30 ft
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You have proof of this? Other than your word that he was only hit 11 times that is. I looked up the story and this was all I could find...

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It says nothing about how many times the guy was hit.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Kal'Stang said:
You have proof of this? Other than your word that he was only hit 11 times that is. I looked up the story and this was all I could find...

Link

It says nothing about how many times the guy was hit.
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Saginaw officers who shot and killed Milton Hall won't face federal charges | MLive.com

Six officers shot at Hall 47 times; 11 bullets struck him. Several civilians witnessed the incident and recorded portions of it on their cellular phones.
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Can't hit ****

Feds: No charges in Michigan police shooting of homeless man - CNN.com

Authorities said there was insufficient "evidence of willful misconduct" to warrant a federal criminal prosecution of the Saginaw Police Department officers who fired 46 bullets at Milton Hall, 49, during an argument. Hall was hit 11 times.
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Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Gaius46 said:
No not intentionally careless. It does seem to me though that in a number of recent shootings the officers emptied their weapons or came close to it and its clear that that was strictly necessary. It also seems that missing a human sized target at 30 feet half the time isn't particularly good marksmanship. What that says to me is that there was lots of adrenaline and not a lot of careful aiming. Understandable? Probably. But all that lead flying around not be stopped by the bad guy's body puts innocent people at risk.
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Have you tried it? 30 feet is actually the 'self defense' distance that most people practice at for that purpose (self defense). So many of us (regular people) train in situations where you shoot things at that distance and closer...moving, from behind different barriers, laying down, changing out magazines on the move, being timed. That is pressure enough. It is very hard under that pressure alone. One drill is just hitting paper plates at 30 feet while moving....not that easy, it requires a lot of focus...and you are not in fear for your life which is pretty much a given any time ANYONE, cop or other, has a legit reason to use lethal force.

I'm guessing you were not in the military. You can be aiming as hard as you can...you also have to control your body. There are only so many ways that kind of stress can be simulated for training. Otherwise, you do not know how you will react until it really happens.

So you choose to risk the cop's lives and the publics' but limiting the cop's capacity to defend themselves, instead of weighing the danger of the criminal escaping and continuing to be a risk. That's your opinion.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Gaius46 said:
I only have 6. :)
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Have you practiced shooting it while moving? From behind cover? Under pressure?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

shrubnose said:
Where did I ever say that anyone needed my permission? I didn't, I just gave it because I'm a generous guy and I like to give away things that cost me nothing.
Quote the times when I said that anyone needed my permission to do anything, which you can't, because I never said that.

Prattle on and have a nice millisecond.
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And again, still not addressing what you previously quoted as was pointed out.
Figures. Way to deflect.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

americanwoman said:
"CNN cannot independently verify authenticity of the recording and is awaiting confirmation from the FBI."

'nuff said. I'll wait until it's actually validated.
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I don't blame you.
Yet I doubt that a lawyer would put their reputation at stake unless they believed it, not to mention the fact that she said her client has spoken with the FBI. Again, not something a lawyer is gonna lie about.
 
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Excon said:
Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

By Holly Yan, CNN
updated 12:36 AM EDT, Tue August 26, 2014


[...]

In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.

"I personally heard at least 11" shots, the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon.

The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, Blumenthal said.

He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.

[...]​
Lawyer: Audio shows 11 shots when Michael Brown killed - CNN.com​


11 Shots in 5 seconds.
Short pause between 6 and the other five. Likely Brown was still coming at him.
Just more evidence.
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Correction to the above 11 shots.

Further analysis shows it was ten shots.

 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
Baden was answering a question about all the other wounds when he said all were consistent with them coming from the front.
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Wrong. He was speaking to all the wounds as that is what was asked. "Dr. Baden, are any of these wounds ..."
He clearly stated in his reply "... but, they all came from the front".


Buck Ewer said:
and the graze wound could not be pegged to an orientation of Browns body when it was received.
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:doh
Wrong. Trajectory would tell from where it came. And they already told you that all the shots came from the front.


Buck Ewer said:
Four independent people have descriptions of the events that tell the facts with consistency between them, because that is what they saw ...because that is what happened.
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Nonsense. You have 3 people copying the lies of Dorian. That is all.

The unguarded, and unprompted testimony from the overheard eyewitness contradicts their bs.
And simply because it is unguarded, unprompted and uncoached makes it far more believable.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Tettsuo said:
Is this exactly what the witnesses described? Brown was running and Wilson got out of his car shooting at Brown's back. There's no pause for Brown to "taunt" Wilson.
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No?
Their is no credible evidence that he fired at him as he fled.
Only that he was approaching the Officer as the Officer fired on him. As that witness made clear, he was surprised that Brown kept moving forward thinking the Officer was missing.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

jmotivator said:
It's odd that the guy doesn't react in the slightest to the gunshots that sound like they are right outside his window.
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I thought of that.
It could be that he had his headphones with a mic boom on and had just started recording at that very moment.
:shrug:

If not, yeah, it is highly suspicious.
 
opendebate said:
This really could (operative word here being could) somewhat fit the story Johnson provided. The officer shot at Brown while he was running away. Brown stopped and turned around, walking or running towards the officer = the pause. Then for some reason, which is unknown at this time, the officer shot 5 or more times again killing Brown.
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Could, somewhat?
Either it does, or it doesn't.
1.) Dorian story is not credible.
2.) Dorian has no credibility.

Dorian indicated one discharge in the vehicle. Then only one shot that Brown felt and then turned to surrender.
Sorry but that doesn't fit.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

poweRob said:
You boldly say you know the evidence and then post evidence of 11 shots. Now when someone points to that evidence that you posted you go off and call it nonsense. Interesting.
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You are speaking nonsense as that statement was no consistent with what was quoted.
Much like this above quote of you.
Typical.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Montecresto said:
That's as likely a scenario as Excon's.
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The only scenario I have is what the credible evidence says.
So can your bs.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Cryptic said:
double banzai charge
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There was no double charge.
The spontaneous unguarded, unprompted and uncoached witness indicated that Brown continued to approach the Officer as the Officer fired.
He stated he thought the Officer was missing.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
The angle described by the forensic team would indicate he had to be face down on the street,
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Wrong.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Texmex said:
I don't believe Brown was charging the officer.
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That is unfortunate that you do not believe a credible witness.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
That guy says " dude started running, then come on towards the police."
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You have already been corrected on that, yet here you are again peddling the same nonsense.
That is not what he said.
He said "cept for" as in "except for". Those word do not in any way sound like your fabricated "then".
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

RogueWarrior said:
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police can't hit **** at 30ft
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The witness said he thought the Officer was missing, yet Brown continued to approach.
 
Excon said:
Could, somewhat?
Either it does, or it doesn't.
1.) Dorian story is not credible.
2.) Dorian has no credibility.

Dorian indicated one discharge in the vehicle. Then only one shot that Brown felt and then turned to surrender.
Sorry but that doesn't fit.
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"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit, eh?"

We'll see how that works out in court.

Where Excon doesn't get a vote.
 
shrubnose said:

"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit, eh?"

We'll see how that works out in court.

Where Excon doesn't get a vote.
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:doh

So you think a Jury isn't going to see that he says one shot, then a turn and an attempt to surrender doesn't jibe with the evidence?
That's just silly.
 
Excon said:
:doh

So you think a Jury isn't going to see that he says one shot, then a turn and an attempt to surrender doesn't jibe with the evidence?
That's just silly
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That's all your opinion, which you are entitled to and I don't agree with.


Eventually we'll see what the courts think about this case.

That
 
Excon said:
Correction to the above 11 shots.

Further analysis shows it was ten shots.

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Called it in post #108.
Four shots in the second grouping.
Everyone said they heard five. I kept hearing four, but I figured I must be missing something if everyone else agrees.
 
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