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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

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    and that is a concern
    given your presentation, could not any person of color allege their being approached by the police to be a racially charged incident?
    They can allege anything they want. The problem with Furgeons is the numbers reflect something is amiss.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    A better question to ask is why back up in that manner at all? Would it not be easier to just get out of the vehicle and order the young men to put their hands up if he was trying to apprehend them?
    Who said he was trying to apprehend them? Maybe he was going back to ask them their wherabouts, etc during the time the shop robbery took place?

    And since when is it easier to walk than drive? lol
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

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    They can allege anything they want. The problem with Furgeons is the numbers reflect something is amiss.
    but what about the incident indicates that there were racial motivations involved
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Who said he was trying to apprehend them? Maybe he was going back to ask them their wherabouts, etc during the time the shop robbery took place?

    And since when is it easier to walk than drive? lol
    If you believe the person should be apprehended, it's better to be a distance away from them. Being right on top of them isn't a good idea... particularly if the person is 300lbs.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    If you believe the person should be apprehended, it's better to be a distance away from them. Being right on top of them isn't a good idea... particularly if the person is 300lbs.
    He didnt know if they were the ones....you act like he should have just 'assumed' they were the ones and just arrested them. He needs to assess and question. And in many ways he is safer in the car with 2 suspects, esp one the size of Brown. In the car, he can call for additional cops to help him arrest 2 suspects if needed.

    You said it...if he was worried about Brown's size...where is he safer? On foot or in car? With your assumption that he wanted to 'apprehend' them...how does he do that from any distance? That requires contact...searching and handcuffing.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but what about the incident indicates that there were racial motivations involved
    Stop and Frisk is a great example of racially motivated policing.

    The Statistical Debate Behind the Stop-and-Frisk Verdict - The New Yorker

    NYPD stops are significantly more frequent for Black and Hispanic citizens than for white citizens, after adjusting stop rates for the precinct crime rates, the racial composition and other social and economic factors predictive of police activity. These disparities are consistent across a set of alternate tests and assumptions.
    Blacks and Latinos are more likely to be stopped than Whites even in areas where there are low crime rates and where residential populations are racially heterogeneous or predominantly White.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    He didnt know if they were the ones....you act like he should have just 'assumed' they were the ones and just arrested them. He needs to assess and question. And in many ways he is safer in the car with 2 suspects, esp one the size of Brown. In the car, he can call for additional cops to help him arrest 2 suspects if needed.

    You said it...if he was worried about Brown's size...where is he safer? On foot or in car? With your assumption that he wanted to 'apprehend' them...how does he do that from any distance? That requires contact...searching and handcuffing.
    If he grabbed Brown because he thought there were the suspects in a strong arm robbery, HE acted like they were the ones and was just going to arrest them.


    On foot, with your hand on your weapon is safer than grabbing him through the window.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    If he grabbed Brown because he thought there were the suspects in a strong arm robbery, HE acted like they were the ones and was just going to arrest them.


    On foot, with your hand on your weapon is safer than grabbing him through the window.
    really, what did the officer think he was going to accomplish, grabbing that large fellow thru the driver-side window?
    which causes me to doubt that he was 'thinking'
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Stop and Frisk is a great example of racially motivated policing.

    The Statistical Debate Behind the Stop-and-Frisk Verdict - The New Yorker
    but the data reveals blacks are more likely than whites to be arrested/tried/incarcerated
    so, is disproportionate stopping of blacks inconsistent with the actual law enforcement data, and thus not unreasonable
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    If he grabbed Brown because he thought there were the suspects in a strong arm robbery, HE acted like they were the ones and was just going to arrest them.


    On foot, with your hand on your weapon is safer than grabbing him through the window.
    You have no idea what transpired. I'm sure he didnt plan on grabbing him thru the window. My guess is that when questioning them, Brown turned away and Wilson grabbed him to stop him and continue the discussion. Not a great move but also unplanned. You dont 'apprehend' people thru a car window.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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