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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, it supports the Officers story.

    The " pause " was too short for Brown to stop, turn around, surrender with his hands up and drop to his knees.

    Did you listen to the audio ?
    Especially true while believeing it took Brown 5 minutes to run 35 feet.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    More importantly - if the initial autopsy findings are still valid - he was hit six times. That's 5 bullets that missed the target and could have wound up in some innocent. Maybe giving cops guns with 15 round mags and access to rifles isn't such a hot idea.
    If the officer's story is credible, at least 11 rounds were necessary to fully incapacitate Brown. Are you prepared to have officer's risk their lives in the line of duty simply because you judge they should be better shots or more economical with ammo?
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If the officer's story is credible, at least 11 rounds were necessary to fully incapacitate Brown. Are you prepared to have officer's risk their lives in the line of duty simply because you judge they should be better shots or more economical with ammo?
    Frankly yes CJ. The officer's safety is never at the expense of the general population as far as I'm concerned.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Frankly yes CJ. The officer's safety is never at the expense of the general population as far as I'm concerned.
    Well, then here we disagree. No officer uses his weapon "at the expense of the general population" but on occasion in an officer's career the use of their weapon is the difference between them living past the situation or not. I would never want to send any employee of mine - and I consider all government employees to be employees of mine - out on the job without the highest possible regard for their personal safety in the performance of their duties. And I'd like to see some documented evidence, if you have it, where police use of their weapons has caused injury or death to any innocent member of the general population. I know of incidents where innocents have been hurt and even been killed by criminal gunfire during a pursuit or confrontation, but not of a police officer causing it.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Firstly, I never claimed my comments were Wilson's claim - I said they were my speculation.
    I understand that. To my knowledge Wilson has not made any statements about what happened.
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    Secondly, a 6'4", 300lb 18 year old who just minutes before robbed a store and assaulted the store clerk/owner is hardly a "Pillsbury Doughboy" regardless of those who wish to paint him as this angelic teddy bear.
    True- Brown is not the "Gentle Giant" of legend and lore. His rap lyrics also suggest sexual dominance over women.

    Even with the fact that he had recently assaulted a store clerk, I think it is going to be a stretch to say that Brown then made what?- two banzai charges against an armed opponent, and that he remained so dangerous after being wounded, he needed to be put down- again.

    Sure, the "double banzai charge, incredibly dangerous even when wounded" scenario could have happened. Likewise, it is possible, that an officer could decide to murder somebody he has stopped.

    In short, both the:
    A. double banzai charge to the death possibility and
    B. a hypothetical officer tried to murder me during the traffic stop possibility are pretty extraordinary.

    For me, both would need something besides "my word alone proves this is what happened" to make them credible. In the actual case of Wilson, the additional proof could be that Brown had a penchant for "to the death" assaults, he was on PCP, he was on a "roid rage" etc.

    So far though, there appears to be nothing else to support the shooting other than the word of the shooter. For me, this is not good enough in this case.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I understand that. To my knowledge Wilson has not made any statements about what happened.

    True- Brown is not the "Gentle Giant" of legend and lore. His rap lyrics also suggest sexual dominance over women.

    Even with the fact that he had recently assaulted a store clerk, I think it is going to be a stretch to say that Brown then made what?- two banzai charges against an armed opponent, and that he remained so dangerous after being wounded, he needed to be put down- again.

    Sure, the "double banzai charge, incredibly dangerous even when wounded" scenario could have happened. Likewise, it is possible, that the officer drew a weapon and attempted to kill Brown for simply refusing his order to get out of the street. Brown could have just been defending himself by trying to grab the weapon.

    In short both the double banzai charge to the death possibility and an officer tried to murder me possibility are pretty extraordinary. For me, both would need something besides "my word alone says this is so" to make them credible.

    In the case of Wilson, the additional proof could be that Brown had a penchant for "to the death" BANzai charges, he was on PCP, he was on a "roid rage" etc. So far though, there appears to be nothing else to support the shooting other than the word of the shooter. For me, this is not good enough in this case.


    If this is Wilsons claim (and I understand the "if", he is toast.

    Basically, there needs to be something besides the officers word alone to justify this shooting. It would be the same if



    No- deadly force is authorized only of
    Absolutely, evidence presented in a court is the only "truth" we can rely upon in this situation. However, the credibility of the officer, in most cases, is a given when there is no contradictory evidence presented or available. Rightly or wrongly, Brown's position loses significant credibility if mere moments before his death he was involved in a store robbery and assault of the clerk/owner. Jurors will normally look at what would reasonably be the frame of mind of the two individuals involved and circumstances in the immediate time frame will be important to them. It would be just as relevant if Officer Wilson moments before had a run in with another black youth who gave him lip and got away - that could speak to his frame of mind. But actual, physical evidence will be key.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, then here we disagree. No officer uses his weapon "at the expense of the general population" but on occasion in an officer's career the use of their weapon is the difference between them living past the situation or not. I would never want to send any employee of mine - and I consider all government employees to be employees of mine - out on the job without the highest possible regard for their personal safety in the performance of their duties. And I'd like to see some documented evidence, if you have it, where police use of their weapons has caused injury or death to any innocent member of the general population. I know of incidents where innocents have been hurt and even been killed by criminal gunfire during a pursuit or confrontation, but not of a police officer causing it.
    Fall 2013. Police in Times Square New York fired shots at an unarmed man who was acting erratically and who they thought was armed. Two rounds missed and hit two bystanders. Both were hospitalized but neither was seriously injured.

    2011 or 2012 - Again near the Empire State Building. During a shoot out with a gunman two cops fired something like 15 rounds and hit 9 bystanders. All the bystanders were hit by police bullets.

    It does happen.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Yes I did. Did you listen to it with an open mind?
    Does having an " open mind " mean that I have to ignore the constraints of what is humanly possible ?

    Or the constraints of the space time continuum ?

    Because there was not enough time for him to stop, turn around, surrender and drop to his knees. You know this

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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Does having an " open mind " mean that I have to ignore the constraints of what is humanly possible ?

    Or the constraints of the space time continuum ?

    Because there was not enough time for him to stop, turn around, surrender and drop to his knees. You know this
    You mean like Brown turning to taunt Wilson before charging, daring him to shoot a gun he's already fired?
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    ...I wonder why they would lie about a thing like that.
    Could it be that YOU dont know the facts, and are prejudging?

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