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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Yes I did. Did you listen to it with an open mind?
    Please prove how your mind is open? Taking an opposing view does not prove you are open. It appears that assuming the officer is a blood-thirsty racist bastard would constitute an open mind in your world, wouldn't it? Did you know that they actually have professionals trained in audio analysis; so how would you or I accurately interpret the audio with no training whatsoever?
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Do you realize your entire scenario depends on Wilson being "good" and Brown being "bad"?

    In my view they're both jackasses. One of them had a gun, thus we have a corpse.
    No, it doesn't. Wilson could be a complete ass, and still have been justified in shooting Brown. And Brown could have been innocent of everything and just made a mistake in his reactions to how he was being dealt with. You don't run from a cop. What is so hard to figure out about that? There would have been no reason for him to run from Wilson to begin with. Then, he almost certainly hit Wilson, likely so that he'd be released. You don't hit a cop. If you are being wrongfully detained/arrested, deal with it through the courts. And then he did turn back towards Wilson. I have no idea if he moved toward Wilson or not or if he was trying to surrender or preparing to charge. I don't know, but neither do you. I am making the assumptions that some don't want to make about Wilson being justified to shoot Brown, instead of assuming that the shooting was automatically unjustified.

    We have information though that Brown was involved in a strong arm robbery earlier that day. We have information that he did hit Officer Wilson. And there is at least some vague information that Brown did come back toward Wilson after he turned from the video from after the shooting, and the bystander that said Brown kept coming back towards him and that was why he thought Wilson had missed while shooting at him. Some of this information could be wrong, all of it could be wrong. But this is what we are speculating off of.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Why are they not credible? Because you don't like their version of events?
    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what causes their testimonies to be found incredible?
    Really?
    You need to ask?
    Really?

    We already know Dorian lied about Brown being shot in the back.
    We already know he lied by omission about the robbery.
    We already know his account sounds contrived and is scripted to cast the Officer in a negative light and cast their actions in good light.
    We already know he has changed portions of his account.


    The two girls -
    Using the exact wording that Dorian the liar used. Saying the same lie Dorian gave.
    Their obvious bias towards police.
    Friends saying the same thing with the same lie.
    While both girls did this PCrenshaw doing this is confirmed -
    Waiting until after hearing what others have said to come out with her account.
    Hanging with professional agitator Anthony Shahid.
    We already know they changed portions of their account.


    And really. The scenario they lay out is incredible to begin with.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Without comment other than, if it's strictly about numbers:
    I'd like to read their accounts, but for now it's just hearsay.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it doesn't. Wilson could be a complete ass, and still have been justified in shooting Brown. And Brown could have been innocent of everything and just made a mistake in his reactions to how he was being dealt with. You don't run from a cop. What is so hard to figure out about that? There would have been no reason for him to run from Wilson to begin with. Then, he almost certainly hit Wilson, likely so that he'd be released. You don't hit a cop. If you are being wrongfully detained/arrested, deal with it through the courts. And then he did turn back towards Wilson. I have no idea if he moved toward Wilson or not or if he was trying to surrender or preparing to charge. I don't know, but neither do you. I am making the assumptions that some don't want to make about Wilson being justified to shoot Brown, instead of assuming that the shooting was automatically unjustified.

    We have information though that Brown was involved in a strong arm robbery earlier that day. We have information that he did hit Officer Wilson. And there is at least some vague information that Brown did come back toward Wilson after he turned from the video from after the shooting, and the bystander that said Brown kept coming back towards him and that was why he thought Wilson had missed while shooting at him. Some of this information could be wrong, all of it could be wrong. But this is what we are speculating off of.
    If the gun actually went off in the car, then yeah... it would make sense that Brown ran.

    There's no proof that Wilson was hit. No medical records that I'm aware of to confirm that, unless you have something to verify that claim?

    As for the bystander... he does not say WHO was still coming. He could have been addressing the cop moving forward as he was shooting.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    If the gun actually went off in the car, then yeah... it would make sense that Brown ran.

    There's no proof that Wilson was hit. No medical records that I'm aware of to confirm that, unless you have something to verify that claim?

    As for the bystander... he does not say WHO was still coming. He could have been addressing the cop moving forward as he was shooting.
    He was trying to run before that though.

    Are you trying to say that you don't believe that Wilson was hit by Brown? Why would they lie about that?

    Context tells us who was still coming. He said that "he was coming back towards him". Wilson would have still been moving in the same direction towards Brown. Brown however had turned back towards Wilson, meaning he would have been the most likely one referred to since he would have been the one most likely to be going "back". Is it possible that it was Wilson he was referring to? Yes. I've said that the information could be wrong or it could be being misinterpreted.

    But I give people the benefit of the doubt, particularly when there is conflicting stories and information and people automatically scream "racism" when something like this happens. I want to know the facts. So far, I haven't seen any facts that tell me this was an act of racism at all, even if it was an unjustifiable shooting. And I don't know whether it is or isn't. I do know that very few people can actually determine right now if the shooting was justified or not, and none of them are in the media or on this board.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    The location of the wounds should tell folks a lot about the aim.
    An Officer fires at center mass.
    Not counting the wound Brown supposedly received at the vehicle, all the wounds are on the right part of the body except for the last round (in the top of the head) delivered at a closer range.
    That shows the Officer's aim is consistent.
    If he was firing at Brown as he ran away, and struck him, the wound would be consistent with his aim and likely be on Browns back left, not on his right side.


    And as the Washington Post has reported.
    Buried in the 59 paragraph.

    The funeral was held Aug. 25 and televised on CNN. His body had been autopsied three times — once each by St. Louis County police, a pathologist hired by Brown’s family and federal authorities. All found that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head but not in the back.

    Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson, the friend who witnessed his shooting - The Washington Post
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I'd like to read their accounts, but for now it's just hearsay.
    Completely agree... But... maybe you shouldn't worry about 4 wittness accounts so far made public disputing the officer and using it as a numbers game against the one that was made public supporting.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    All they knew by him backing up is that he was coming back toward them. Obviously, it didn't cause them to bolt right away. This was likely due to the fact that they didn't know why he was coming back toward them. Maybe they thought it was because of them remaining in the road (if they did) or something else.

    We only have the other guy's statement that the door was opened against one of them which caused it to close back. That hasn't been confirmed anymore than the reason why Wilson came back to them.

    You are presuming the officer had to have some reason related to him just being a jerk to come back towards them rather than the more likely reason that he had realized they were suspects in a robbery that had just recently occurred (and we know they were involved in by the friend's own admission). There is simply no logical reason to assume he would just be a jerk to them because they weren't getting out of the street. There is also no reason why he would try to apprehend them for just refusing to move from the street. It is much more likely that he would try to apprehend them for being suspects in a robbery.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is what the patrolman appears to have done

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