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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In this scenario, those who claim that Brown went to the ground to surrender with his hands up may simply have seen Brown wounded and with arms extended hitting the ground. Then, when Brown rises, onto his knees and perhaps higher, he may still have appeared capable of doing harm to the officer and he fired the remainder of the shots. It's possible Wilson told him to stay on the ground and Brown didn't - considering the struggle for the officer's gun that reportedly took place earlier and the size and strength of Brown - Wilson would have feared for his life if Brown was trying to rise and come at him again.
    So then Wilson's claim is something like:

    - He tried to grab my weapon, I fired a shot while in the police car
    - Brown retreated a good distance away
    -For an unknown reason, he then suddenly initiates a banzai charge at me, despite the fact he can see my weapon and he knows I am willing to use it
    -I shoot and wound him, temporarily stopping his charge
    -He then struggles to get back up and resume the banzai charge
    -I was still in fear for my life, so I killed him.

    Brown was far more "Pillsbury Doughboy" than "The Incredible Hulk"- on PCP. If this is the fact pattern, getting a jury to buy Wilson's claim that this shoooting was truly needed is a huge stretch.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Fine. Now we know what may or may not have happened according to you.




    Me, I'm going to wait until the courts issue their opinions then I'm going to issue my opinion.

    If I'm still around after that happens.
    Except you already offered your 'opinion'...that it is as likely he was lying down seeping blood as anything else. Your lack of knowledge or first hand experience didnt stop you from presenting a countering opinion.

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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    By Holly Yan, CNN
    updated 12:36 AM EDT, Tue August 26, 2014


    [...]

    In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.

    "I personally heard at least 11" shots, the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon.

    The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, Blumenthal said.

    He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.

    [...]
    Lawyer: Audio shows 11 shots when Michael Brown killed - CNN.com


    11 Shots in 5 seconds.
    Short pause between 6 and the other five. Likely Brown was still coming at him.
    Just more evidence.
    This really could (operative word here being could) somewhat fit the story Johnson provided. The officer shot at Brown while he was running away. Brown stopped and turned around, walking or running towards the officer = the pause. Then for some reason, which is unknown at this time, the officer shot 5 or more times again killing Brown.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    This really could (operative word here being could) somewhat fit the story Johnson provided. The officer shot at Brown while he was running away. Brown stopped and turned around, walking or running towards the officer = the pause. Then for some reason, which is unknown at this time, the officer shot 5 or more times again killing Brown.
    No, it supports the Officers story.

    The " pause " was too short for Brown to stop, turn around, surrender with his hands up and drop to his knees.

    Did you listen to the audio ?

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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Just another piece of evidence that the Grand Jury will need to review. I still think it's premature to try to draw firm conclusions from snippets of information and evidence, some of which are in conflict. The Grand Jury will review everything that is available in its totality and a careful review is needed if one is to reach an accurate conclusion as to whether or not there is probable cause to proceed with a criminal trial. I remain unwilling to make a hasty judgment as to whether the police officer acted appropriately or whether he used excessive force. Given the extent of uncertainy, either outcome appears plausible.

    From CNN regarding the reported audio:

    It's difficult to prove from the audio why the pause took place or whose narrative it supports.

    Lawyer: Audio shows pause in fire in Ferguson - CNN.com

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Eleven shots eh?
    That's not at all consistent with the four to six the police are saying...hmmmmmm
    ...I wonder why they would lie about a thing like that.
    More importantly - if the initial autopsy findings are still valid - he was hit six times. That's 5 bullets that missed the target and could have wound up in some innocent. Maybe giving cops guns with 15 round mags and access to rifles isn't such a hot idea.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    More importantly - if the initial autopsy findings are still valid - he was hit six times. That's 5 bullets that missed the target and could have wound up in some innocent. Maybe giving cops guns with 15 round mags and access to rifles isn't such a hot idea.
    Well to be fair the Cop had just been beaten by Michael Brown.

    An eye injury and subsequent dizziness could have thrown off his aim a bit

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    So then Wilson's claim is something like:

    - He tried to grab my weapon, I fired a shot while in the police car
    - Brown retreated a good distance away
    -For an unknown reason, he then suddenly initiates a banzai charge at me, despite the fact he can see my weapon and he knows I am willing to use it
    -I shoot and wound him, temporarily stopping his charge
    -He then struggles to get back up and resume the banzai charge
    -I was still in fear for my life, so I killed him.

    Brown was far more "Pillsbury Doughboy" than "The Incredible Hulk"- on PCP. If this is the fact pattern, getting a jury to buy Wilson's claim that this shoooting was truly needed is a huge stretch.
    Firstly, I never claimed my comments were Wilson's claim - I said they were my speculation.

    Secondly, a 6'4", 300lb 18 year old who just minutes before robbed a store and assaulted the store clerk/owner is hardly a "Pillsbury Doughboy" regardless of those who wish to paint him as this angelic teddy bear.

    Thirdly, if it is true that Brown struggled with Wilson for control of the officer's gun, there is no other interpretation available other than the officer was being threatened with potential death if Brown got the upper hand. And just to be clear, assaulting an officer and trying to take control of his weapon is a serious felony in most jurisdictions and it would be incredible if Wilson did not use necessary and potentially deadly force to stop and arrest Brown if he didn't willingly abide by the officer's orders.

    Finally, once an officer uses his weapon, he is trained to keep shooting until the target is incapacitated - that could be dead or it could be sufficiently injured that the target is on the ground and stays on the ground. Officers are not trained to take warning shots.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, it supports the Officers story.

    The " pause " was too short for Brown to stop, turn around, surrender with his hands up and drop to his knees.

    Did you listen to the audio ?
    Yes I did. Did you listen to it with an open mind?
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