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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I sure as heck wouldn't be doing guest appearances on CNN or other networks. I would be mourning the loss of my child regardless the circumstances. I would also wait before making comments till all the evidence was presented to me. It was the parents/family that started that barrage describing Brown as a "gentle giant" that the media repeated ad nauseam across this nation just prior to the video released showing the "gentle giant" strong arming a store clerk during a robbery of Swisher Sweets.

    The parents anger is justified. What you would do is totally irrelevant to what someone else in their situation would do. Consider what the parents, especially the mother might have gone through to get that boy to finish HS and without a police record. He was due to start college this fall. Do you have any idea what that might mean to a black family? I doubt you do.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because that is making an assumption of guilt based on association. It isn't right. It does happen, especially when it comes to something like whether or not to fire everyone at a specific place of employment due to some sort of scandal or widespread misconduct. It does happen where even those who are innocent of any wrongdoing, or at least the wrongdoing the others are accused of are still fired or let go because of this. It is a flaw in our system that has very little remedy until we can teach the majority of people to judge individuals, not groups.
    I agree.

    Assuming a former member of a police force did something wrong simply because they were a member of that police force and said police force had accountability issues or whatever...

    That's basically the same as "guilty until proven innocent".

    Which is what a bunch of people seem to react with when we have one of these mad situations like in Ferguson.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Did you not notice that the guy keeps referring to Wilson as "the police", and then refers to Brown as "he", "him", or some other masculine pronoun? Every single time the guy refers to the officer he says "the police" or "they". That is what makes me believe that it is Brown that the guy is referring to when he started speaking about the movement back.
    Damn, I really thought you were going to watch the video.

    Starting at 8:29:
    "The police officer was like..he's like ten yards away from him. And I'm thinking that...the dude was still standing and I'm thinking that he missing him...and then he kept coming towards him."

    In this specific exchange, prior to saying "he kept coming towards him" the man in the video used "he" (the subject of the verb) to refer to Wilson 2 times and Brown 0 times, and "him" (the object of the verb) to refer to Brown "2" times and Wilson 0 times. The single time he used Brown as the subject of the verb, he used "the dude" and not "he."

    So it's clear to me that you are like everyone else who is more interested in hearing and seeing what you want to see than you are in the reality of what happened.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Damn, I really thought you were going to watch the video.

    Starting at 8:29:
    "The police officer was like..he's like ten yards away from him. And I'm thinking that...the dude was still standing and I'm thinking that he missing him...and then he kept coming towards him."

    In this specific exchange, prior to saying "he kept coming towards him" the man in the video used "he" (the subject of the verb) to refer to Wilson 2 times and Brown 0 times, and "him" (the object of the verb) to refer to Brown "2" times and Wilson 0 times. The single time he used Brown as the subject of the verb, he used the "the dude" and not "he."

    So it's clear to me that you are like everyone else who is more interested in hearing and seeing what you want to see than you are in the reality of what happened.
    I did watch the video, multiple times, and I didn't hear what you posted. I heard him refer to Wilson as "the police" multiple times, including after he made that comment. He normally referred to him as "they", as did his friend. You are assuming he is talking about Wilson coming toward Brown, but that doesn't make sense because he says that after Brown turned that "he came back toward them/him", indicating going in a different direction, which Wilson wouldn't have been doing. Wilson would have been continuing in the same direction, toward Brown. But if Brown were the one moving, that would make sense because he would be going "back" toward Wilson from the way he had came.

    The fact that we heard different things in itself shows how people perceive different sensory input, and calls into question what any of the witnesses actually saw.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I did watch the video, multiple times, and I didn't hear what you posted.
    Here is the video I am listening to.
    http://uneditedpolitics.com/ace-john...-graphic-8914/

    The exchange of reference starts at 8:29.

    What do you hear???

    Maybe the first "he's like" was "at least." After that it is as clear as day.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Here is the video I am listening to.
    Ace Johnson Cellphone Video of Aftermath of Michael Brown Shooting (Graphic) – 8/9/14 | Unedited Politics

    The exchange of reference starts at 8:29.

    What do you hear???

    Maybe the first "he's like" was "at least." After that it is as clear as day.
    I told you what I heard. Plus, I'm not watching that one again. It messes with my computer every time. It is annoying.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I told you what I heard. Plus, I'm not watching that one again. It messes with my computer every time. It is annoying.
    You weren't even talking about the same exchange in the video. We all know that Brown stopped and turned back around to face towards Wilson. How exactly does that prove that Brown then proceeded to run full speed at Wilson?

    It is the "he kept coming towards him" line, that occurred 2 minutes after that, which is being used to corroborate Wilson's version and justify the multiple shots.

    Here is the direct YouTube link. Start at 8:29.
    http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM

    The thing that people are forgetting is that Wilson was running towards Brown.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    You weren't even talking about the same exchange in the video. We all know that Brown stopped and turned around. How exactly does that prove that Brown then proceeded to run full speed at Wilson?

    It is the "he kept coming towards him" line, that occurred 2 minutes after that, which is being used to corroborate Wilson's version and justify the multiple shots.

    Here is the direct YouTube link. Start at 8:29.
    Mike Brown EyeWitness Crime Scene Video Ferguson, MO - YouTube

    The thing that people are forgetting is that Wilson was running towards Brown.
    The guy said that "next thing I know he coming back toward him/them" at about 6:55. That is what the guy says.

    I never said anything about Brown running at Wilson. He only had to move toward him to become a potential threat. Doesn't require running. Only Brown moving toward Wilson, after he turned.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The guy said that "next thing I know he coming back toward him/them" at about 6:55. That is what the guy says.

    I never said anything about Brown running at Wilson. He only had to move toward him to become a potential threat. Doesn't require running. Only Brown moving toward Wilson, after he turned.
    WHAT? It wouldn't have mattered if is hands were up, or maybe even was stumbling forward and potentially about to collapse to the ground after having been shot next to the car and then having just sprinted 35 feet?

    The only thing that mattered matter is if he was moving forward? An inch forward = four more shots?

    Do people really think this way?

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    WHAT? It wouldn't have mattered if is hands were up, or maybe even was stumbling forward and potentially about to collapse to the ground after having been shot next to the car and then having just sprinted 35 feet?

    The only thing that mattered matter is if he was moving forward? An inch forward = four more shots?

    Do people really think this way?
    We don't know how it looked to the police officer. And even Johnson said that Brown's hands were far up. It could mean many things. We don't actually know what happened. In reality, you don't move toward the cop when he is holding a gun on you. You comply with instructions. If he didn't get a chance, then that is murder. If he didn't move and was actually surrendering, then it is most likely murder. We don't really know though, and witness testimony is not completely reliable. Plus, there is some that does match what little we got from the police so far, that Brown moved toward Wilson. It is even possible that the eye injury, even if just a punch that caused some swelling, could have affected his vision and forward movement did look threatening even if it was unintentional. If that is what happened, do you charge the cop anyway with shooting because he didn't know even if that is procedure? These are hard questions, but people need to understand that this is not a cut and dry situation.
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