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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

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    HOWEVER...it doesn't take much to see the blatantly disguised racism on display here.

    I especially love how eyewitness testimony is inherently black, I mean shoddy. Frickin thugs, maybe they should have thought about the socioeconomic consequences before they decided to be slaves for 300 years and second class citizens for another 150. But it's a frickin moot point, right? They have had 60 years (15%) to "get ahead." They must be some lazy "people," am i rite? rite? 'murica!
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What the hell?
    I had a few last night. But it reminds me of a post I saw earlier, which I can't find now...it was a discussion about what the word "thug" means, and someone posted an image of a black guy with baggy clothes and labeled him "thug" and then posted a picture of a black guy who was modeling a nice looking suit and labeled him "not a thug"...apparently implying that the solution to this country's racial inequities is that black people just need to buy nice suits.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    You don't need clothes to view stippling near the wounds itself. A gunshot fired and hitting from as close as Johnson is claiming woudl show up without the clothes.
    Officer Wilson is also claiming the gun went off in close proximity to MB during a struggle inside the vehicle.

    Josie: "So he goes in reverse back to them. He tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael [Brown] did. Then he opens his car again and tries to get out and as he stands up Michael just bum rushes him, and just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face and then of course Darren grabs for his gun and Michael grabs the gun. At one point he's got the gun totally turned against his hip and then he shoves it away and the gun goes off."
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    "...Law enforcement investigators test the clothing and skin of people for GSR to determine if they were near a gun when it discharged. Gunshot residue can travel over 3–5 feet (0.9–1.5 meters) from the gun. At the farthest distance, only a few trace particles may be present...."
    Gunshot residue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How far the gun powder residue can travel might also depend on the kind of gun used. NTL, Wilson is claiming that MB was in very close proximity when the first gun shot was fired and yet the coroner didn't find any gun residue on his hands or body. So regardless if he was wounded at that point there still should have been residue on MB if he was as close as Wilson is claiming.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It fits with cops second hand story that the MB and Johnson were trying to run away from him.


    What happened when Michael Brown met Officer Darren Wilson - CNN.com

    None of the witnesses said they saw Johnson or MB stop running and turn to taunt the cop with his gun pulled out. They all said that MB stopped and turned with his hands up and the autopsy confirms that the bullet wounds in his arm are consistent with wounds to arms held up.

    That cop has got some explaining to do.
    The cop has already explained it and the evidence supports his version of events.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by JC_CT View Post
    Yes. You know, because both the shooter and the target were moving. Ridiculous, right? Black people say the darnedest things [when providing eye witness accounts of a homicide].
    People say the damndest things when they're lying.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Officer Wilson is also claiming the gun went off in close proximity to MB during a struggle inside the vehicle.

    "...Law enforcement investigators test the clothing and skin of people for GSR to determine if they were near a gun when it discharged. Gunshot residue can travel over 3–5 feet (0.9–1.5 meters) from the gun. At the farthest distance, only a few trace particles may be present...."
    Gunshot residue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How far the gun residue can travel might also depend on the kind of gun used. Ntl, Wilson is claiming that MB was in very close proximity when the first gun shot was fired and yet the coroner didn't find any gun residue on his body. Is Wilson lying?
    Or there could be simply other factors that came into play. For example, the coroner's report in question was the second one done, so the gunshot residue could simply have gotten washed/wiped off before they did the autopsy. Or it could have simply gotten on the clothes. Or he might not have been that close by the time the gun went off, which would not mean that there wasn't a struggle nor that Brown didn't go for the gun. There is nothing about not finding gunshot residue on Brown's body that proves that Wilson is lying or that Brown didn't go for his gun.

    In fact, I'm wondering about whether there were any bruises or marks on Brown's neck, since Johnson claimed that Wilson grabbed Brown around the neck to yank him in the car. They concentrated on looking for evidence of a struggle by Brown but didn't mention any evidence of physical treatment against Brown by Wilson.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    "If “more than a dozen” witnesses back Wilson’s claim, that would outnumber the four witnesses who say that Wilson shot Brown as he was surrendering.

    Johnson, who was with Brown in the store during the alleged strong-arm robbery, said that Brown was running away as he was shot. But he did not mention that incident in the convenience store when he told the media about the shooting.

    Two other witnesses said that Brown was fleeing Wilson after their altercation in the cruiser. As Wilson was shooting, Brown turned around while holding his hands up to surrender, the witnesses have claimed.

    A fourth witness has told the media that when Brown surrendered he fell down to his knees with his hands up.

    One neighborhood eye-witness gave a different version of events.

    The man was unwittingly recorded on a video posted to YouTube in which he is overheard saying that he saw Wilson firing and possibly missing. He said that he saw Brown turn around and then begin moving or running towards Wilson.
    So let me make sure I understand this correctly. You are basing your claim on:
    1. A hypothetical situation that there is a plethora of witnesses in support of Wilson's version for which the only evidence whatsoever is a single rogue tweet by a reporter who has been on FMLA for six months.
    2. Three eyewitnesses that we know actually exist and who all give similar accounts that directly contradict your assertion.
    3. The transcript of the "game changer" video which doesn't actually match the what was said in the video, specifically the line "but he kept coming toward him" which was never said but to which you have taken the liberty of adding "or running."

    Does that about cover it?

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People say the damndest things when they're lying.
    And Wilson's a "people", too.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And Wilson's a "people", too.
    People with an injury sustained in an assault and a spotless six year service record. Credibility is important.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Or there could be simply other factors that came into play. For example, the coroner's report in question was the second one done, so the gunshot residue could simply have gotten washed/wiped off before they did the autopsy. Or it could have simply gotten on the clothes. Or he might not have been that close by the time the gun went off, which would not mean that there wasn't a struggle nor that Brown didn't go for the gun. There is nothing about not finding gunshot residue on Brown's body that proves that Wilson is lying or that Brown didn't go for his gun.

    In fact, I'm wondering about whether there were any bruises or marks on Brown's neck, since Johnson claimed that Wilson grabbed Brown around the neck to yank him in the car. They concentrated on looking for evidence of a struggle by Brown but didn't mention any evidence of physical treatment against Brown by Wilson.
    Didn't Baden say no such bruises existed?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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