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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How many hits, with a busted eye?
    What evidence is there to show that he had a " busted eye"?
    The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.
    All talk of a "busted eye" is pure conjecture or debunked, made up lies.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Those were almost all cases of mistaken identity by one person.
    We know the identity of all the primary people in this case.
    The case hinges on what witnesses saw happen ...not who.
    Four agree on what that was and the hard evidence backs them up.

    You should note that the testimony of someone accused of murder is far less reliable than witnesses.
    And once again, eyewitness testimony can be wrong and can be biased and is not scientific and it's a medical fact that our memories fade over time and we don't see what we think we saw 100% of the time.

    You should also note that the accused is innocent until proven guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt. His testimony and the facts that can be verified are just as relevant. Eyewitness testimony has been proven unreliable which is why it's no longer the valuable evidence that it once was.

    What witnesses saw is weighed no more heavily than who saw it. Keep in mind too that his friend had just participated in a robbery with Brown - at least according to what he & his lawyer said, which makes him an unreliable witness.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    What evidence is there to show that he had a " busted eye"?
    The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.
    All talk of a "busted eye" is pure conjecture or debunked made up lies.
    Where is the hospital report and statement on their examination of Brown? Link?

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    What evidence is there to show that he had a " busted eye"?
    The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.
    All talk of a "busted eye" is pure conjecture or debunked, made up lies.
    I believe your correct about the injury to the officer's eye.

    However it is shown that the eye witnessess that stated Brown was shot in the back was false

    Expert: Autopsy Reveals Eyewitness Accounts That Brown Was Shot In Back Are ‘False’ « CBS St. Louis

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    great point. the people defending this guy are putting all their eggs into the "eyewitnesses say" basket. However if this had been a black person being shot in a white neighborhood his defenders would say "we can't believe a thing the eyewitnesses say", but in this situation they accept the eyewitness testimony as GOLD. funny, but also sad.
    To put all your eggs into the one basket of what the killer might say to keep himself free is far less reliable.
    Your conjecture as to what others might say in different situations is a worthless guessing game.
    Also a funny practice to adopt, and at least as sad.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I believe your correct about the injury to the officer's eye.

    However it is shown that the eye witnessess that stated Brown was shot in the back was false

    Expert: Autopsy Reveals Eyewitness Accounts That Brown Was Shot In Back Are ‘False’ « CBS St. Louis
    That is the opinion of CBS-KMOX not the forensic surgeons.
    Although there were no wounds to the victim's back, per se, they explained how at least one of the wounds on Browns forearm could have been received while he was moving away from Wilson.
    They made it clear that this wound coming from behind could not be ruled out.
    It doesn't make as good a headline when all the facts are explained, but that is the truth of the matter.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Those were almost all cases of mistaken identity by one person.
    We know the identity of all the primary people in this case.
    The case hinges on what witnesses saw happen ...not who.
    Four agree on what that was and the hard evidence backs them up.

    You should note that the testimony of someone accused of murder is far less reliable than witnesses.
    There are many cases where the witnesses change their story after the fact.

    Trial by Fire

    The witnesses’ testimony also grew more damning after authorities had concluded, in the beginning of January, 1992, that Willingham was likely guilty of murder. In Diane Barbee’s initial statement to authorities, she had portrayed Willingham as “hysterical,” and described the front of the house exploding. But on January 4th, after arson investigators began suspecting Willingham of murder, Barbee suggested that he could have gone back inside to rescue his children, for at the outset she had seen only “smoke coming from out of the front of the house”—smoke that was not “real thick.”

    An even starker shift occurred with Father Monaghan’s testimony. In his first statement, he had depicted Willingham as a devastated father who had to be repeatedly restrained from risking his life. Yet, as investigators were preparing to arrest Willingham, he concluded that Willingham had been too emotional (“He seemed to have the type of distress that a woman who had given birth would have upon seeing her children die”); and he expressed a “gut feeling” that Willingham had “something to do with the setting of the fire.”
    Our memories are not set in stone, at all. They are fluid. They can change with what we believe. In fact, they can in fact just simply be formed from the start from what we expect to see instead of what actually happened.

    False Memory - Psychology - About.com

    False Memories: When Your Brain Makes Stuff Up | TIME.com
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Think about what you just implied... If everyone had to presume the innocence of an accused defendant NO witness could ever testify that they thought they were guilty of anything.

    The principle is that the accused must be; "presumed innocent in the eyes of the law until proven guilty". The law must presume innocence ...a poster on an internet site offering their opinion has no such legal constraint ... just like a witness .
    Context is crucial

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Those were almost all cases of mistaken identity by one person.
    We know the identity of all the primary people in this case.
    The case hinges on what witnesses saw happen ...not who.
    Four agree on what that was and the hard evidence backs them up.

    You should note that the testimony of someone accused of murder is far less reliable than witnesses.
    Wilson'testimony is no less reliable than anyone else's, especially since the evidence is on his side.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Think about what you just implied... If everyone had to presume the innocence of an accused defendant NO witness could ever testify that they thought they were guilty of anything.

    The principle is that the accused must be; "presumed innocent in the eyes of the law until proven guilty". The law must presume innocence ...a poster on an internet site offering their opinion has no such legal constraint ... just like a witness .
    Nice double standard ya got there!
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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