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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I'm not really commenting on Brown. I'm making a more general statement.

    And even with that I'm simply speculating that if the extra rounds are in the magazine they're going to get used. That was speculation on my part and I stated as much.

    I tried to find stats on how many times bystanders get hit by police and wasn't able to find anything other than statements like "it's uncommon but it happens." I did find a study that the Rand Corporation did on the NYPD that found that officers hit the target on 18% of the time when the bad guy fired back and 30% of the time when they didn't. Considering the population density around here that really isn't all that comforting.

    And I would disagree with that speculation. Very much so. And dont really know of anything that supports it...that cops just spray and pray, or just keep blasting away.

    You found nothing that supports bystanders are being harmed (altho of course there are some cases) but certainly did find data that supports police needing more rounds: the miss rate while under stress/shooting at moving targets/multiple targets/targets that almost always require more than one shot to stop them.

    Try reading the FBI Files and other accounts of gunfights. Trained officers still require multiple shots to stop attacks...and few if any records of collateral damage.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You fire until the threat is down. Period.

    Or until the threat puts you down.Period.




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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Yep. I also know that multiple eyewitnesses that report almost identical stories is extraordinarily compelling, and regarded very highly in the court of law.
    Do you know how many of the first 130 persons exonerated by DNA were convicted because of eyewitness testimony in the first place? 80 percent. You can look it up on Google. 80 percent, and all of them convicted because of bad eyewitness testimony, and in most of those cases, testimony by multiple eyewitnesses.

    This has been a huge issue in the court system that has been studied, documented and analyzed for the last 20 year. Eyewitness testimony, for a number of reasons, doesn't hold up in court the way it once did - for or against the person accused. It's like trace evidence. It can be contaminated. Our memories fade over time. And it isn't scientific.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And I would disagree with that speculation. Very much so. And dont really know of anything that supports it...that cops just spray and pray, or just keep blasting away.

    You found nothing that supports bystanders are being harmed (altho of course there are some cases) but certainly did find data that supports police needing more rounds: the miss rate while under stress/shooting at moving targets/multiple targets/targets that almost always require more than one shot to stop them.

    Try reading the FBI Files and other accounts of gunfights. Trained officers still require multiple shots to stop attacks...and few if any records of collateral damage.
    I honestly would love to believe that you're right about the spray and pray part. Though understand I'm not saying that any of this is willful. I was more thinking a scared guy resorting to overkill.

    And I'm astounded that the hit rate is so low. Maybe it means they need more rounds. Maybe it means different training. I don't know.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I honestly would love to believe that you're right about the spray and pray part. Though understand I'm not saying that any of this is willful. I was more thinking a scared guy resorting to overkill.

    And I'm astounded that the hit rate is so low. Maybe it means they need more rounds. Maybe it means different training. I don't know.
    How many rounds did the officer fire?

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How many rounds did the officer fire?
    In Brown? From the audio tape it sounded like 10-11.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    In Brown? From the audio tape it sounded like 10-11.
    How many hits, with a busted eye?

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the only way an indictment cannot happen is if they can absolutely show that the policeman acted appropriately
    and there is nothing to indicate that
    just as with the trayvon case, a trial is needed to show the community that justice resulted after the shooting
    You do realize that the way you typed that shows us that you think the cop is guilty until proven innocent. We see the fiber of your fabric..

    But yes, the Mob must have it's Circus I suppose...

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You do realize that the way you typed that shows us that you think the cop is guilty until proven innocent.
    We see the fiber of your fabric..

    But yes, the Mob must have it's Circus I suppose...

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How many hits, with a busted eye?
    Sounded like six. I did publish stats for the NYPD - probably one of the better trained departments in the country - that showed the average was between 18-30% depending on whether the suspect was shooting back or not.

    As I've said I've never had to shoot at someone but as an outsider looking in that seems low to me and especially troublesome in a crowded city.
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