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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Angry rage and a good shot of adrenaline can make even a meek personality pretty vile and violent for a few seconds. Wilson had just been in the course of a minute or so been disobeyed and disrespected by a cocky teen, hit on the face, he had just discharged his weapon in his car and he had to chase a suspect on foot who was walking or running away from that encounter.
    had he been thinking clearly without rage , the prudent thing to do would have been to holster his piece and draw his Taser as he left the cruiser. This was a busy street at high noon on a weekend and Brown was not going very far very fast.
    Wilson's decisions were clouded and distorted by rage and vengeance.
    Laughable nonsense.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I got up and ran across the room until the shots stopped then pivoted on my front foot and walked back the direction I came from. I was able to walk several steps before the shots began again. Apparently, you're mistaken. It is possible.
    Good morning OD.

    Perhaps unwittingly, but seems to me you've just outlined a scenario where Wilson would be justified in shooting to kill in self-defense. You claim that within the period between the first series of shots and the second series of shots, you were able to stop, pivot, and walk several steps before the shots began again. This could just as easily indicate that even after being hit by at least two shots in the first volley, Brown had time to continue moving towards the officer instead of laying on the ground, incapacitated. As mentioned previously, an officer is trained not to shoot unless they intend to keep shooting until the target is incapacitated and not moving.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    One of the witnesses said it looked like the cop tried to hit MB with the patrol car door after he tried to cut him off. But was the cop deliberately trying to hit MB with the car door or was MB blocking the door and preventing the cop from getting out of the car?
    If a macho contest had ensued, and I truly believe one had, the answer may well be in between:

    Act I, Scene I The Walk
    -Brown, feeling pumped up from slapping down the clerk and taking all his smokes, and wanting to impress his friend further, is sauntering down the middle of the street.
    -Wilson sees Brown and his first thought is "WTF- who does he think he is?"
    -Wilson orders Brown to the sidewalk. Brown, knowing he has an audience, complies very slowly (dis-respects Wilson)

    Act I scene II The Door
    -Wilson get pissed, reverses and deliberatly cuts close to Brown and opens the door (Re-asserts his dominance)
    -Brown then tries to push the door out of his way, (No, I am dominant)
    -Wilson grabs Brown (Nope, I am dominant). Brown resists (Just slapped down a "punk" at the store, you want to be next?).

    Things go down hill and Wilson eventually re-asserts his dominance by killing Brown in a rage
    Last edited by Cryptic; 08-27-14 at 11:36 AM.

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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    If a macho contest had ensued, and I truly believe one had, the answer may well be in between:

    Act I, Scene I The Walk
    -Brown, feeling pumped up from slapping down the clerk and taking all his smokes, and wanting to impress his friend further, is sauntering down the middle of the street.
    -Wilson sees Brown and his first thought is "WTF- who does he think he is?"
    -Wilson orders Brown to the sidewalk. Brown, knowing he as an audience, complies very slowly (dis-respects Wilson)

    Act I scene II The Door
    -Wilson get pissed, reverses and deliberatly cuts close to Brown and opens the door (Re-asserts his dominance)
    -Brown then tries to push the door out of his way, (No, I am dominant)
    -Wilson grabs Brown

    Things go down hill.... .
    A cop is supposed to be more mature than an 18 year old...
    I guess he isn't.
    He had to get "even".
    Wilson could have easily killed several people on a busy street at noon on a Saturday with that kind of incompetent shooting.
    He should have holstered his piece, sat in his cruiser and called in an APB ...
    He was well known, unarmed and he weighed 300 pounds.
    Brown would have been apprehended within 10 minutes.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No?
    Their is no credible evidence that he fired at him as he fled.
    Only that he was approaching the Officer as the Officer fired on him. As that witness made clear, he was surprised that Brown kept moving forward thinking the Officer was missing.
    Wow... so eyewitnesses are no longer credible? Seriously, you're so far from reality on this, it's sad.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the only way an indictment cannot happen is if they can absolutely show that the policeman acted appropriately
    and there is nothing to indicate that
    just as with the trayvon case, a trial is needed to show the community that justice resulted after the shooting

    I agree.

    They need to have a trial to be able to say that this case ended with justice for all.

    Ultimately the police department in Ferguson needs to be a lot more diverse no matter how any trial(s) turn out.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 08-27-14 at 12:08 PM.

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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    A cop is supposed to be more mature than an 18 year old...
    I guess he isn't.
    He had to get "even".
    Wilson could have easily killed several people on a busy street at noon on a Saturday with that kind of incompetent shooting.
    He should have holstered his piece, sat in his cruiser and called in an APB ...
    He was well known, unarmed and he weighed 300 pounds.
    Brown would have been apprehended within 10 minutes.
    I agree completely. Though many police and corrections officers do operate in an honor culture where respect / disrespect is important, they are expected to keep their emotions under control and to remember as you pointed out: they are the police and not a pumped up 18 year old with an audience.

    Speaking of the audience, the presence of Johnson probably amplified Wilson's reaction as well. Wilson was disrespected in front of a witness who was also just the sort to spread exaggerated tales of Brown slapping him aside and "owning" him.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Laughable nonsense.
    You dont think that a respect / disrespect issues can esalate very quickly to the point of somebody getting killed?

    Police are human, and many police in the US have honor culture backgrounds. Granted, police almost always keep their emotions under control and dont let macho contests escalate. But... it can happen.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Typical CNN reporting cycle:

    Day One: BREAKING NEWS

    Day Two: Was the breaking news yesterday a hoax?

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Wow... so eyewitnesses are no longer credible? Seriously, you're so far from reality on this, it's sad.
    Actually they aren't. Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially when being exposed to something - like a shooting - for the first time.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Wow... so eyewitnesses are no longer credible? Seriously, you're so far from reality on this, it's sad.
    Excon already made up his mind. Anything that contradicts what he thinks is "nonsense." Any evidence that comes out means he was definitely right.


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