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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Dorian Johnson was singing like a bird of his first hand account of the situation, gave a full interview with CNN on tape and didn't bother to mention this so called "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area". This would have made a bigger impact on his lies that Brown was shot in the back while holding his hands up, which also did not occur.

Do you have anything to back up, that Dorian Johnson's account that Brown "was struck in the chest or upper region [by the first shot in the car] because I saw blood splatter down his side, his right area" ?


Actually, Johnson did mention that MB was shot in the chest in every interview I saw.....and the 'preliminary autopsy' does confirm that MB was shot in the upper right chest near his armpit......and another witness, Piaget Crenshaw also saw MB get shot when the cop was still in the car....and the police did confirm that a shot was fired inside the car. Really, the only evidence missing is Darren Wilson, the cop who shot dead an unarmed teenager for jaywalking.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Thanks for the link and yes indeed Johnson said it, but it's been proven to be wrong, Brown had no chest wounds. Appears Johnson enhanced the story for CNN, "I look in his window and I see he has his gun pointed at both of us. And when he fired his weapon, I moved seconds before he pulled the trigger. I saw the fire come out the barrel, and I instantly knew that it was a gun"

Strange how he 'instantly knew it was a gun' when seconds before he saw the gun pointed at both of them.


Johnson also said " At no point in time did they struggle over the weapon" when we now know Officer Wilson had a swollen face, which appears to be from a struggle.

Johnson also said to CNN -- "we were running, and I was able to hide myself behind the first vehicle that was up on the scene. And the officer then got out of his car. My friend, Big Mike, was still running, he ran past me and saw me in plain sight. He said to me verbatim -- he said, "Keep running, Bro," and he kept running,

And he fired a second shot and that struck my friend, Big Mike. And at that time, he turned around with his hands up, beginning to tell the officer that he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting. "

Yet no gun shots were found in Browns back, as Johnson said were fired before Brown turned around.

Dorian Johnson's creditability was lost when he thought the no one saw what happened in the neighborhood that fatal day.

Why are you so keen to discount Johnson's testimony?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Actually, Johnson did mention that MB was shot in the chest in every interview I saw.....and the 'preliminary autopsy' does confirm that MB was shot in the upper right chest near his armpit......and another witness, Piaget Crenshaw also saw MB get shot when the cop was still in the car....and the police did confirm that a shot was fired inside the car. Really, the only evidence missing is Darren Wilson, the cop who shot dead an unarmed teenager for jaywalking.

False.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Actually, Johnson did mention that MB was shot in the chest in every interview I saw.....and the 'preliminary autopsy' does confirm that MB was shot in the upper right chest near his armpit......

What did the autopsy results say of range? Especially with regard to any stilpling around the wound?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Actually, Johnson did mention that MB was shot in the chest in every interview I saw.....and the 'preliminary autopsy' does confirm that MB was shot in the upper right chest near his armpit......and another witness, Piaget Crenshaw also saw MB get shot when the cop was still in the car....and the police did confirm that a shot was fired inside the car. Really, the only evidence missing is Darren Wilson, the cop who shot dead an unarmed teenager for jaywalking.

He was not shot for jaywalking (although possible, not probable at all). That is hyperbole. In all likelihood, they were stopped the second time (which is pretty much even part of Johnson's story) because Wilson realized they fit the description of the robbery suspects that he either a) just got or b) simply didn't notice similarities til he went to drive away. Whether the robbery actually occurred or not would not change the fact that if he just got a report to be on the lookout for a couple of guys who reportedly robbed a store and he realized that these guys that he just talked to about walking in the street matched the description he had, then he very well likely would have backed up to detain them. The next likely step is that they resisted his detaining them. He then has cause to stop them, particularly if one of them punched him in the face. No clue if Brown also went for his gun. That too though would be another probable reason to consider Brown dangerous. You never reach for a police officer's gun. That gives them cause to shoot you, and it is normally enough to justify lethal force in an already hostile situation.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Thanks for the link and yes indeed Johnson said it, but it's been proven to be wrong, Brown had no chest wounds. Appears Johnson enhanced the story for CNN, "I look in his window and I see he has his gun pointed at both of us. And when he fired his weapon, I moved seconds before he pulled the trigger. I saw the fire come out the barrel, and I instantly knew that it was a gun"

Strange how he 'instantly knew it was a gun' when seconds before he saw the gun pointed at both of them.


Johnson also said " At no point in time did they struggle over the weapon" when we now know Officer Wilson had a swollen face, which appears to be from a struggle.

Dorian Johnson's creditability was lost when he thought the no saw what happened in the neighborhood that fatal day.

There is no question in my mind that parts of Johnson's account are, as you put it, enhanced. That doesn't at all mean that we take his entire testimony and throw it out the window. We don't consider his word to be 100% solid on its own, but we take it into consideration as a piece of a larger body of evidence.

There are parts of his testimony that even the PD isn't disputing. We know for a fact that not all of his testimony is a lie, so why would we treat it as such?

Tiffany Mitchell, Paiget Crenshaw, Emanual Freeman (@TheePharaoh), Michael Brady, and the aforementioned Dorian Johnson all stated that Wilson fired at Brown as Brown was running away. The man in the background of the so-called "game changer" video didn't explicitly say one way or another, but if anything his use of the language "the police KEPT dumping on him" when first directly referring to gunfire would lean towards evidence that there was prior gunfire - but should reasonably be classified as inconclusive. Now we have an alleged tape recording of the gun shots which doesn't provide hard proof, but fits well with the scenario of shots fired at Brown's back, followed by a separate volley of shots fired at his front.

Oh yeah, and 9 days ago The New York Times reported that law enforcement officials confirmed that Wilson fired his weapon as Brown and Johnson were running away but didn't hit anyone, and nobody involved in the investigation has tried to deny it to my knowledge.

So now we have the police confirming a key aspect of multiple eyewitnesses' accounts, including Johnson's. There is a person claiming to speak on behalf of someone who witnessed the shooting that failed to mention the fact that shots were fired at Brown's back...Josie. In fact, im contrast to the man in the "game changer" video, she used the term "so he just STARTED shooting" to describe when Wilson opened fire when Brown was allegedly bumrushing him.

So who's credibility is really lost?
 
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Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Hmmm, 11 shots fired, and only 6 hit Brown? :roll: only.

madman.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Is that the story? The back shots missed? :lamo

It fits with cops second hand story that the MB and Johnson were trying to run away from him.

Josie: "Michael takes off with his friend. They get to be about 35 feet away and Darren [Wilson], of course protocol is to pursue. So he stands up and yells, ‘Freeze!' Michael and his friend turn around and Michael starts taunting him. ‘Oh, what are you going to do about it? You're not gonna shoot me.'
What happened when Michael Brown met Officer Darren Wilson - CNN.com

None of the witnesses said they saw Johnson or MB stop running and turn to taunt the cop with his gun pulled out. They all said that MB stopped and turned with his hands up and the autopsy confirms that the bullet wounds in his arm are consistent with wounds to arms held up.

That cop has got some explaining to do.
 
Here are some of the key things we need to know in this case:

1) Was the second contact with Brown and Johnson justified? What was the reason for that second contact, backing up the police vehicle to stop them? Was it part of the jaywalking incident, as claimed by Johnson, or was it because Officer Wilson realized that they matched the description of robbery suspects?

2) Did Brown reach for Officer Wilson's gun? This one would be much harder to prove either way. Brown's fingerprints on the gun or the belt or somewhere close might do it, or if there was residue on Brown's hands or body (with exception of head/face) indicating he was very close to Wilson's gun with his hands when it was fired.

3) Did Officer Wilson hit Brown with a bullet prior to Brown turning back towards Wilson? In all honesty, this wouldn't necessarily hurt Officer Wilson depending on his report.

4) Did Brown punch/hit Officer Wilson and how bad was it?

5) Was Brown surrendering, standing still when Officer Wilson shot him or was he moving toward Officer Wilson when Wilson started shooting again at him? You do not walk toward a cop who has a gun on you. That can be perceived legitimately as a threat, especially if you were just fighting with the officer.

There might be more that I can't think of right now but I think this list basically covers the most important facts as to whether Wilson is guilty of murder or doing his job. These are all things we do not have answers to right now. The cops might have the answers to at least some of these questions, but no official information about these things has been released yet.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Hmmm, 11 shots fired, and only 6 hit Brown? :roll: only.

madman.

Keep hanging your hat on lies and phony information...

Yesterday, all the media was breathlessly focused on creepy audio, which was supposedly the inadvertent taping of Mike Brown being shot to death in Ferguson, Missouri.

But it may be that CNN and anchor Don Lemon jumped the gun! Watch (above) as CNN is forced to admit the audio may be in error, as the FBI is yet to confirm if is real or not. As you can see, the news channel is trying to soften the potential blow if an apology is needed soon.



Read more: OOPS! CNN Is Worried Its Ferguson Shooting Audio Is Fake (WATCH) - The Political Insider

 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Thanks for your input Mr. Mac!

No need to thank me, you made it easy to spot.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

What did the autopsy results say of range? Especially with regard to any stilpling around the wound?

It was a preliminary autopsy. The coroner said that without the presence of gun powder residue or examining MB's clothes and Xrays, they couldn't really say. However, he did say that the bullet that hit his eye traveled down inside his cheek and then came out his chin and then went down into his collar bone. That would suggest they were within feet of each other. He also said that the trajectory of the fatal bullet in the top apex of the head went straight down into the brain. That would suggest that the cop was standing over him....execution style.
 
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Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

It was a preliminary autopsy. The coroner said that without the presence of gun powder residue or examining MB's clothes and Xrays, they couldn't really say. However, he did say that the bullet that hit his eye traveled down inside his cheek and then came out his chin and then went down into his shoulder. He also said that the trajectory of the fatal bullet in the top apex of the head went straight down which would suggest that the cop was standing over him....execution style.

You don't need clothes to view stippling near the wounds itself. A gunshot fired and hitting from as close as Johnson is claiming woudl show up without the clothes.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

It was a preliminary autopsy. The coroner said that without the presence of gun powder residue or examining MB's clothes and Xrays, they couldn't really say. However, he did say that the bullet that hit his eye traveled down inside his cheek and then came out his chin and then went down into his shoulder. He also said that the trajectory of the fatal bullet in the top apex of the head went straight down which would suggest that the cop was standing over him....execution style.

Actually, it would make more sense if the bullet into the head was shot from the front, with Brown leaning his head down, which is not the same as "execution style". In fact, an execution style head shot would not fit the witness accounts at all, since they did not note any pause in the last set of shots, indicating that they were fired in rapid succession, not pauses to aim for a specific target, which is generally what happens during an execution shot to the head.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

You don't need clothes to view stippling near the wounds itself. A gunshot fired and hitting from as close as Johnson is claiming woudl show up without the clothes.

To my knowledge the only thing released so far is a map of MBs body showing the wound entries....so you tell me which ones had "stippling."

Neither of the first two autopsies showed any trace of gun powder residue on MB hands or anywhere else on his body. That would seem to support Johnson's story, not the officers.
 
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Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Actually, it would make more sense if the bullet into the head was shot from the front, with Brown leaning his head down, which is not the same as "execution style". In fact, an execution style head shot would not fit the witness accounts at all, since they did not note any pause in the last set of shots, indicating that they were fired in rapid succession, not pauses to aim for a specific target, which is generally what happens during an execution shot to the head.

Another witness, Michael Brady said that he saw MB doubled over and "grabbing his stomach" while the gun shots kept firing. So it would make more sense that the officer was still "pursuing" MB (Josie admitted as much) after he turned around....not the other way around.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Wow... so eyewitnesses are no longer credible? Seriously, you're so far from reality on this, it's sad.

You're wrong on that. He tends to believe anything a cop says and likes only the eyewitnesses that say exactly what he wants to hear... So he doesn't disbelieve all eyewitnesses as you alluded to.

Everyone else is just "absurd", "nonsense" or "ridiculous".
 
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To my knowledge the only thing released so far is a map of MBs body showing the wound entries....so you tell me which ones had "stippling."

Neither of the first two autopsies showed any trace of gun powder residue on MB hands or anywhere else on his body. That would support Johnson's story, not the officers.

We don't have all of the officer's story at this time. We have no idea what exactly his story would be or why there would need to be gun powder on Brown's hands. Just trying to take the gun wouldn't produce gun powder. So there is no contradiction with just having the absence of gun powder residue even when it comes to a claim that Brown was reaching for Wilson's weapon. It is possible to reach for the gun without getting gun powder on your hands, especially a gun that hadn't been fired yet.

And from what I can tell, the absence of gun powder doesn't provide any kind of evidence for or against Johnson's story.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Why are you so keen to discount Johnson's testimony?

Have you noticed the discrepancies with his story?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

We don't have all of the officer's story at this time. We have no idea what exactly his story would be or why there would need to be gun powder on Brown's hands. Just trying to take the gun wouldn't produce gun powder. So there is no contradiction with just having the absence of gun powder residue even when it comes to a claim that Brown was reaching for Wilson's weapon. It is possible to reach for the gun without getting gun powder on your hands, especially a gun that hadn't been fired yet.

And from what I can tell, the absence of gun powder doesn't provide any kind of evidence for or against Johnson's story.

The officer had a spokesperson called "Josie" that told his side of the story. It's in the CNN link that I posted earlier. The Ferguson Police chief also repeated parts of Wilson's story to the press. So we do sorta have the officers story but it's not holding water where the tussle inside the cruiser is concerned.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

...so you tell me which ones had "stippling."

They indicated there was not any stippling around the wounds. No gun powder (stippling) found on the body would indicate it was a shot from a bit further away.

When a gun is fired, a cloud of gas from the gunpowder's ignition explodes outward, along with soot and unburned gunpowder, Davis said. If a shooter holds the gun so that the muzzle is in contact with the victim's skin, the gas injects itself into the body, either tearing the skin or leaving abrasions from the contact with the muzzle. A shot from an inch or so away will spare the skin from the gas, but leave soot around the wound. In contrast, a shot from between 3 and 9 inches (7.62 to 22.86 centimeters) away won't deposit any soot, but it will leave a characteristic "stippling" pattern from fast-flying gunpowder. A distance greater than about 9 inches between the skin and the gun, depending on the gun, would be categorized as a "distant wound," Davis said.

Ferguson, Missouri, police shooting: What Michael Brown's autopsy can (and can't) tell us - CBS News
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Another witness, Michael Brady said that he saw MB doubled over and "grabbing his stomach" while the gun shots kept firing. So it would make more sense that the officer was still "pursuing" MB (Josie admitted as much) after he turned around....not the other way around.

Moving toward Officer Wilson. If he was moving toward him, he could still be considered a threat. Since he hadn't been shot anywhere near his stomach, it is likely that he could have been crossing his arms, either to protect his arm (that likely might have been hit by then) or to tuck in to charge the officer. We simply don't know.

I can picture an explainable situation in my head. One shot in the car, possibly hit hand or arm (no idea if it did or not but there would be evidence). More shots as running (out of however many, don't know), one may have clipped arm. Wilson was in pursuit of Brown then. Brown stops and turns around, either putting his hands up or reaching down to tuck in or grab injury, this part is unclear. Perhaps doing more than one of these. At this point, at the most he would have had two wounds to the arm (if any at all), both superficial, which aren't likely to cause major problems with standing up straight, nor would either, assuming he had at least one but even both, likely be fatal. We don't know what was said after Brown turned around. Some said he said he was shot or "Don't shoot", others that he was taunting Wilson to shoot him. Either are possible. According to a witness, Brown moved toward Wilson, at least a step or two after he turned to face him. If he actually did do that movement, then it could be viewed as a threat, which might be the reason that more shots were fired. Those shots were fired quickly. Now, it may come down to did Brown move before or after he was shot after turning toward Wilson and what reason Wilson gives for viewing Brown as a continuing threat after he turned around.

Pursuing him would not mean executing him. Generally, if a suspect stops and turns around, the officer pursuing will at the least slow down, if not stop, too, particularly if he/she is trying to aim his/her gun at them.
 
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