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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You're last question may be the most important one. It is up to the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Officer Wilson used force that was not justified under the circumstances. Even when video evidence is available, such as in the Rodney King incident, juries are not inclined to convict officers if their evidence is reasonable under evaluation.
    All they need is a doubt that the homicide is justified to recommend an indictment.
    Nothing need be proven to a Grand Jury.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    They say he had his arms up when he turned around. He probably lowered his arms in a defensive posture as he realized that there were more shots to come.
    To believe your scenario, you have to believe that Wilson is one of the most vile and violent people on the planet - also pretty stupid, because he committed this assassination in the middle of the afternoon, on a clear sunny day, in a residential neighbourhood, with many apartments surrounding the area and the prospects of numerous witnesses being present.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    He doesn't.
    A basketball player can stop and turn a 180 in about a tenth of a second. There is a lot more time than that in that pause.
    I listened to it again after I read his post. I don't know WTH he's talking about.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your last question may be the most important one. It is up to the State to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Officer Wilson used force that was not justified under the circumstances. Even when video evidence is available, such as in the Rodney King incident, juries are not inclined to convict officers if their evidence is reasonable under evaluation.
    There could well be two different burdens of proof- and they may blur into each other. Or, as you alluded to in the Rodney King case, they may not.

    Administrative Discipline handled by internal affairs: Wilson must prove shooting was justified.
    Criminal trial: Proscecutor must prove a crime was committed.

    But, if Wilson can't prove shooting was justified (lets say he gets fired prior to a criminal trial), then a jury may presume that because the shooting was not justified, then Wislon must have also committed a crime.

    Sure, a judge may remind them that getting fired administratively does not mean a crime was committed. Subjectively though, a jury may well blur the two concepts into one. In short, it Wilson gets adminsitratively fired for an unjustified shooting, this is going to be bad news for him at a possible criminal trial.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

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    There could well be two different burdens of proof- and they may blur into each other. Or, as you alluded to in the Rodney King case, they may not.

    Administrative Discipline handled by internal affairs: Wilson must prove shooting was justified.
    Criminal trial: Proscecutor must prove a crime was committed.

    But, if Wilson can't prove shooting was justified (lets say he gets fired prior to a criminal trial), then a jury may presume that because the shooting was not justified, then Wislon must have also committed a crime.

    Sure, a judge may remind them that getting fired administratively does not mean a crime was committed. Subjectively though, a jury may well blur the two concepts into one. In short, it Wilson gets adminsitratively fired for an unjustified shooting, this is going to be bad news for him at a possible criminal trial.
    I don't agree with your conclusion, but I think the one thing you're missing is the most likely one to occur and that is the parent's civil lawsuit for wrongful death against the police department, the officer, and perhaps the city itself. I'd be willing to bet all I own that there are lawyers already in discussions with Michael Brown's family about the best time to file suit and what they can expect. I'll predict the outcome - the grand jury will indict, the trial will be a circus and the jury will acquit, and then a civil suit will be launched and the parties will settle out of court for a tidy sum, no quilt acknowledged, no details disclosed.
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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    To believe your scenario, you have to believe that Wilson is one of the most vile and violent people on the planet - also pretty stupid, because he committed this assassination in the middle of the afternoon, on a clear sunny day, in a residential neighbourhood, with many apartments surrounding the area and the prospects of numerous witnesses being present.
    Angry rage and a good shot of adrenaline can make even a meek personality pretty vile and violent for a few seconds. Wilson had just been in the course of a minute or so been disobeyed and disrespected by a cocky teen, hit on the face, he had just discharged his weapon in his car and he had to chase a suspect on foot who was walking or running away from that encounter.
    had he been thinking clearly without rage , the prudent thing to do would have been to holster his piece and draw his Taser as he left the cruiser. This was a busy street at high noon on a weekend and Brown was not going very far very fast.
    Wilson's decisions were clouded and distorted by rage and vengeance.

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    Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see you are speaking nonsense again.
    You boldly say you know the evidence and then post evidence of 11 shots. Now when someone points to that evidence that you posted you go off and call it nonsense. Interesting.
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    How do you know that there was not enough time for Brown to stop and turn?

    I listened to the audio.

    So in that brief half a second, he stopped, turned around, and then dropped to his knees and the raised his hands ?

    No way
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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    He doesn't.
    A basketball player can stop and turn a 180 in about a tenth of a second. There is a lot more time than that in that pause.

    LOL !! Nonsense.

    Now he's a " basketball player " ?
    Was he playing basketball ?

    When was the last time you timed a '' basketball player " turning around , dropping to his knees, raising his hands and giving up ???

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    re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Angry rage and a good shot of adrenaline can make even a meek personality pretty vile and violent for a few seconds. Wilson had just been in the course of a minute or so been disobeyed and disrespected by a cocky teen, hit on the face, he had just discharged his weapon in his car and he had to chase a suspect on foot who was walking or running away from that encounter.
    had he been thinking clearly without rage , the prudent thing to do would have been to holster his piece and draw his Taser as he left the cruiser. This was a busy street at high noon on a weekend and Brown was not going very far very fast.
    Wilson's decisions were clouded and distorted by rage and vengeance.
    Nonsense.

    His decisions were based on the fact that he was attacked , just had his gun nearly wrestled away from him and now had a 300 pound thug charging him.

    He reacted appropriately.

    Its starting to look more like suicide by cop.

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