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Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

- Criminal convictions of Wilson's mother - or the convictionsof any third party? - not relevant at all.
- Wilson's assosciation with a troubled police department that was disbanded? Relevant in the subjective sense.

As with Brown's choice of rap lyrics, both can indicate pre-dispositions towards certain attitudes.
 
I think that the information regarding his police record his pertinent, however there is no reason to go and try to demonize the guy because of his home life. I also come from a family of divorce and have a family member that's been entangled with the law, does that make be a bad person as well?

However, I also do think that much of the information being released about Brown is not pertinent either. We should be focusing on what occurred right before, during, and after Brown's shooting.
 
opendebate said:
not the point. it is ALL irrelevant.
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Let me help you translate what the right means....

Its okay to dig into the past of a minority to assassinate his /her character (Trayvon), but how dare you dig into the past of a white law enforcement officer!!! Have you no shame !!!!
 
opendebate said:
The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.
(Racial tension was endemic in Jennings, said Rodney Epps, an African American city council member.
Police faced a series of lawsuits for using unnecessary force
“There was a disconnect between the community and the police department. There were just too many instances of police tactics which put the credibility of the police department in jeopardy. Complaints against officers.)

Wilson got a job in the police department in the nearby city of Ferguson.

People who know him describe him as someone who grew up in a home marked by multiple divorces and tangles with the law. His mother died when he was in high school. ( I read in a different article that she was a con-woman who killed herself) A friend said a career in law enforcement offered him structure in what had been a chaotic life.

Wilson has had some recent personal turmoil: Last year, he petitioned the court seeking a divorce from his wife, Ashley Nicole Wilson, and they formally split in November, records show

when Wilson was a freshman in high school, his mother pleaded guilty to forgery and stealing. She was sentenced to five years in prison, although records suggest the court agreed to let her serve her sentence on probation.

Darren Wilson

So why wasn't this story released like the story was suppose to be so incriminating and telling about MBs "character"? What does this tell you about officer Wilson?

Frankly, I'm just as appalled by the release of this kind of information about this officer as I am by the blatant attempts at manipulating the narrative by the release of personal information about MB. Can we all agree to ignore this kind of crap?
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What does any of this have to do with what happened on that day?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
I think that the information regarding his police record his pertinent, however there is no reason to go and try to demonize the guy because of his home life. I also come from a family of divorce and have a family member that's been entangled with the law, does that make be a bad person as well?

However, I also do think that much of the information being released about Brown is not pertinent either. We should be focusing on what occurred right before, during, and after Brown's shooting.
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I think that is what the OP is making a point of.
 
opendebate said:
They shouldn't. The point is that these kinds of stories are irrelevant. This is just as irrelevant as the stories published about MB. It's all ugly.
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You think a story about Brown committing a robbery and strong arming a store clerk shortly before the incident in question is the same as a divorce or anything having to do with the officers mother?

Do you not see the difference and connection one has and the other does not?
 
Texmex said:
Since when do you speak for others?
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You presumed to speak for others in the post right above this one. In reality, I knew most of the stuff about the police officer prior to this OP (saw it when I looked up the officer last week) and still know pretty much nothing about Michael Brown except that he had a scholarship to some college, was 18, and was a suspect in an alleged robbery that the police officer found out about a very short time after stopping him and his buddy for walking down the middle of the street. I don't honestly know why he was shot, but there is almost certainly some evidence somewhere that will give us a good picture of why, whether the reason was right or wrong that the cop had in doing so.
 
opendebate said:
But what if you hadn't been told in advance what was happening. Do you really think you'd read it the same way? Perhaps not. I read a completely different version of events before I saw it and I could see the influence it had on how I saw things.

Even if it unfolded exactly the way conservative media has sold it, it's utterly irrelevant. It is in fact, no more relevant than these stories about his cop.

The only thing that actually matters is what happened in that moment when he was shot.
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So you think they are the same, and not, in Browns case, a continuance of his criminal actions on that day.

It is odd how far some people go to excuse criminals.
 
americanwoman said:
Yup. I myself couldn't care less about the officers parents, upbringing, or the whatnot. What interests me is the part that he was part of an entire police department that had to be fired due to racial tensions. You know things are bad when they have to start from the bottom up. Not saying Wilson himself contributed to any of the problems, but he didn't have to work for such a corrupt department.
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But he had to work.... right?

People say these things like its so simple. Just quit. Who cares about housing, food, bills, etc. Just quit because its an evil evil place to work.

Most people, especially those working for small town police departments... can't afford to just walk away from a decent paying job (better than most small town jobs) because there are those around them that suck.
 
americanwoman said:
Or how about Brown's rap lyrics, they must be totally relevant considering we had multiple threads and posts about those.
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I posted one of those threads.
And I posted it to discuss a topic separate of the shooting itself. Which I addressed. And was subsequently ignored. The Brown's rap lyrics deal had more to do with showing bias in the media than. Had nothing to do with the shooting.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
I think that the information regarding his police record his pertinent, however there is no reason to go and try to demonize the guy because of his home life. I also come from a family of divorce and have a family member that's been entangled with the law, does that make be a bad person as well?

However, I also do think that much of the information being released about Brown is not pertinent either. We should be focusing on what occurred right before, during, and after Brown's shooting.
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And while you are right on the first point about the police department............... Unless a record from that department about Officer Wilson himself can be pulled, it is guilt by association, and should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
rcart76 said:
Let me help you translate what the right means....

Its okay to dig into the past of a minority to assassinate his /her character (Trayvon), but how dare you dig into the past of a white law enforcement officer!!! Have you no shame !!!!
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I don't care if anyone digs into his past..... maybe they can find something to put this whole "He did it cuz he is rassssist" thing to rest if they can't find anything relevant.

But attempting to portray him as guilty of something via the actions of his family is wrong. As I was told in my interview for the police department I worked at for 7 years, "You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family".

As for the department he worked at......Who knows if he was part of the problem or not.... without a personnel file on him from that department, its just guilty by association. And frankly, expecting him to quit if he noticed the problem too is just dumb when you consider a man has bills to pay.
 
Lursa said:
I havent seen (or read) any 'stories' about MB. I only saw a video of him committing a crime. That's different IMO.
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I've seen them and read them.
 
Lursa said:
??? A cop is taught to never assume someone is unarmed before searching them.

I had a friend on NYPD condemned to the 'rubber gun squad' in Central Park because he assumed that...suspect ended up pulling a knife on a cop in the squad room.
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Then maybe that's one of the things we need to rethink
 
rhinefire said:
OK, now let's look at the dead punk. How was he raised? What level of schooling was he in? Was he or his parents active in their community? I heard his mother speak and she sounded less that illiterate. Did either of them graduate high school or college? What kind of person threatens another small person just because he is bigger? How many others did he threaten? What is the reason this punk got in to a confrontation with the officer? Why has the media not looked in to this family instead of hanging the police officer?
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Did you read any of my posts in this thread?? That's the point. The only thing we should be concerned about was what happened in that moment between the two people involved.
 
opendebate said:
Did you read any of my posts in this thread?? That's the point. The only thing we should be concerned about was what happened in that moment between the two people involved.
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But that isn't the only thing that will be of concern in court.

Someone's actions just prior to committing a crime go a long way in court. If you don't want to believe it fine.... but I do speak from a good amount of experience in the 50+ trials I was involved in as a police officer.
 
So why don't you folks take some of that righteous "outrage" all stirred up from this because of this post and see if you can maybe muster up just a tiny shred of empathy for Michael Browns family or some genuine respect for due process.
 
Caine said:
I don't care if anyone digs into his past..... maybe they can find something to put this whole "He did it cuz he is rassssist" thing to rest if they can't find anything relevant.

But attempting to portray him as guilty of something via the actions of his family is wrong. As I was told in my interview for the police department I worked at for 7 years, "You can choose your friends, but you can't choose your family".

As for the department he worked at......Who knows if he was part of the problem or not.... without a personnel file on him from that department, its just guilty by association. And frankly, expecting him to quit if he noticed the problem too is just dumb when you consider a man has bills to pay.
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Maybe he was the whistleblower. We might never know.
 
opendebate said:
So why don't you folks take some of that righteous "outrage" all stirred up from this because of this post and see if you can maybe muster up just a tiny shred of empathy for Michael Browns family or some genuine respect for due process.
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empathy
[em-puh-thee]

noun
1.
the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.


By this definition I think we can all have empathy for Browns family, but they have nothing to do with this incident.

It appears Brown brought this on himself and I have no sympathy for criminals.

Why is Browns family important to you? Do you know them?
 
opendebate said:
There all smear jobs. How can you not see that?
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I saw MB, as you call him, steal then rough up a store clerk. Officer Wilsons MOTHER got in trouble with the law many years ago.
The two things have no bearing on the other.
 
Caine said:
But that isn't the only thing that will be of concern in court.

Someone's actions just prior to committing a crime go a long way in court. If you don't want to believe it fine.... but I do speak from a good amount of experience in the 50+ trials I was involved in as a police officer.
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Out of curiousity from another debate here- do you issue traffic citations and if so do you appear in court as a witness? You don't have to answer if you can't give out that kind of info but just wondering.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I saw MB, as you call him, steal then rough up a store clerk. Officer Wilsons MOTHER got in trouble with the law many years ago.
The two things have no bearing on the other.
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Maybe Wilson's mother came to Brown in a dream and told him to do what he did.

If the criminal defenders try hard enough they can come up with a connection.
 
I love how people are cherry picking the information released on MB. As if they only thing printed about him was that he "strong armed" a store clerk. Which BTW you really don't know as fact the circumstances surrounding.
 
Superfly said:
How about -- nobody cares about the past stories about Michael Brown or Darrell Wilson? How about we focus on the fact that a very short time before he was shot, Brown was robbing a convenience store?

Let's just focus on that. Not his past, or the officer's past. Let's just focus on what happened the day he was shot.
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And also the fact, good shoot or bad, it wouldn't have happened had he himself not escalated the situation.
 
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