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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Can we all agree to ignore this kind of crap?
    You've been on this forum longer than I have. You should know that most people here aren't willing to be rational in their thought process.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

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    You've been on this forum longer than I have. You should know that most people here aren't willing to be rational in their thought process.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That I can agree with and for the record I don't condemn the officer. I'm more concerned about the uninformed leaps to judgement made against MB. They both deserve the same considerations and objectivity.
    There are many leaps to judgment taking place. But the ones that have caused the most problems have been against the police, not Brown. Whether he was guilty or not of the robbery or assault from earlier, we can be pretty sure he hit the officer in the face. The only person saying that he didn't hit Wilson is the friend. Even other witnesses say that they thought he hit the police officer. We don't know if Officer Wilson actually knew about the robbery or not before the shooting (although it is likely that he either a) realized that the two fit the description he had of robbery suspects after he drove that little ways up the road and it is why he backed up to confront them again or b) he had just got the call for the robbery/assault as he drove forward that little bit). That has more affect on why he may have been considered dangerous by the officer, particularly if he was really coming toward him after he had already been shot. Do we know that this is what happened? No, we don't. But we do know that there is at least one witness saying that Brown continued to move toward Wilson after his hands came down. We know he wasn't shot in the back (although I'll say it could be that one of the shots from behind might have hit him in the arm). We know, so far, that there is no evidence that Officer Wilson was racist or that there was any racial motivation in why he shot Brown, even if it was a wrongful shooting.

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    There are definitely some things we don't know and may never know about this case, but there are other things we can be pretty sure about. The protests started prior to anyone releasing information about Brown and him specifically being a suspect in a robbery. The first acts of violence in response to this incident came August 10th, while the video was released August 15th. In fact, they, the police/officials tried to not say anything about Brown's character beyond "he has no criminal background" prior to the release of the tape on the 15th, yet people were calling for the officer's blood without any other facts except he shot an unarmed teen. No one knew why. No one had any information and yet some decided that it had to be uncalled for without it and didn't even wait for an investigation into it. They automatically started protesting, some of which got violent that first day.

    Timeline: Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Mo.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Call me an optimist?
    Perhaps. I think it more reasonable to realize that the majority of people commenting don't actually care about what happened between Wilson and Brown, but about either A or B.

    A) Police brutality, racism, Zimmerman, Dunn, guns, etc.

    B) Robbers, thugs, anti-cop mentality, law and order, self-defense, etc.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
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    There are many leaps to judgment taking place. But the ones that have caused the most problems have been against the police, not Brown.
    I disagree. I think any judgement about "which have caused the most problems" depends entirely on your perspective.

    The only person saying that he didn't hit Wilson is the friend. Even other witnesses say that they thought he hit the police officer. We don't know if Officer Wilson actually knew about the robbery or not before the shooting (although it is likely that he either a) realized that the two fit the description he had of robbery suspects after he drove that little ways up the road and it is why he backed up to confront them again or b) he had just got the call for the robbery/assault as he drove forward that little bit). That has more affect on why he may have been considered dangerous by the officer, particularly if he was really coming toward him after he had already been shot. Do we know that this is what happened? No, we don't. But we do know that there is at least one witness saying that Brown continued to move toward Wilson after his hands came down. We know he wasn't shot in the back (although I'll say it could be that one of the shots from behind might have hit him in the arm). We know, so far, that there is no evidence that Officer Wilson was racist or that there was any racial motivation in why he shot Brown, even if it was a wrongful shooting.
    I see alot of speculation in this and straying from the facts.


    There are definitely some things we don't know and may never know about this case, but there are other things we can be pretty sure about. The protests started prior to anyone releasing information about Brown and him specifically being a suspect in a robbery. The first acts of violence in response to this incident came August 10th, while the video was released August 15th. In fact, they, the police/officials tried to not say anything about Brown's character beyond "he has no criminal background" prior to the release of the tape on the 15th, yet people were calling for the officer's blood without any other facts except he shot an unarmed teen. No one knew why. No one had any information and yet some decided that it had to be uncalled for without it and didn't even wait for an investigation into it. They automatically started protesting, some of which got violent that first day.
    So there are also different ways to interpret the protests. Right? You can choose to see them as unfounded and nothing more than an example of their inherently uncivil behavior...you can see them as being lead by the nose by race-baiters like Sharpton......you can see them as a community of people sick and tired of being singled out for harassment by their local police force not to mention the entire judicial system....etc. Name your poison.

    Either way, there IS indeed a problem here that needs to be heard and I mean heard and not dismissed any more. I tend to believe that if an entire community is this outraged they are this outraged for a reason.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Perhaps. I think it more reasonable to realize that the majority of people commenting don't actually care about what happened between Wilson and Brown, but about either A or B.

    A) Police brutality, racism, Zimmerman, Dunn, guns, etc.

    B) Robbers, thugs, anti-cop mentality, law and order, self-defense, etc.
    If someone actually cares at all about those issues instead of getting off to the sound of their own voice than they approach the situation objectively and understand that both sides have some legitimate complaint. This simpleton that some exhibit where they want to label someone the bad guy and someone the good guy is a dangerous oversimplification.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.
    (Racial tension was endemic in Jennings, said Rodney Epps, an African American city council member.
    Police faced a series of lawsuits for using unnecessary force
    “There was a disconnect between the community and the police department. There were just too many instances of police tactics which put the credibility of the police department in jeopardy. Complaints against officers.)

    Wilson got a job in the police department in the nearby city of Ferguson.

    People who know him describe him as someone who grew up in a home marked by multiple divorces and tangles with the law. His mother died when he was in high school. ( I read in a different article that she was a con-woman who killed herself) A friend said a career in law enforcement offered him structure in what had been a chaotic life.

    Wilson has had some recent personal turmoil: Last year, he petitioned the court seeking a divorce from his wife, Ashley Nicole Wilson, and they formally split in November, records show

    when Wilson was a freshman in high school, his mother pleaded guilty to forgery and stealing. She was sentenced to five years in prison, although records suggest the court agreed to let her serve her sentence on probation.

    Darren Wilson

    So why wasn't this story released like the story was suppose to be so incriminating and telling about MBs "character"? What does this tell you about officer Wilson?

    Frankly, I'm just as appalled by the release of this kind of information about this officer as I am by the blatant attempts at manipulating the narrative by the release of personal information about MB. Can we all agree to ignore this kind of crap?

    so his mother is a criminal

    so all family members of all criminals are now GUILTY by association? from someone on the "progressive" side of the scale, you might want to rethink that position.

    and him and his wife were separated, and getting a divorce.....happens to approximately 50% of all married people....didnt happen the week before (in that case, maybe i could see your point) but seven months previous

    you truly believe these items are the same as the 18 yr old black man, who in a video "appears" to be strongarming a shopkeeper? and this is minutes before an altercation with the police?

    maybe you are stretching things just a wee bit too much there......

    i dont see any connection or correlation between the two
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so his mother is a criminal

    so all family members of all criminals are now GUILTY by association? from someone on the "progressive" side of the scale, you might want to rethink that position.

    and him and his wife were separated, and getting a divorce.....happens to approximately 50% of all married people....didnt happen the week before (in that case, maybe i could see your point) but seven months previous

    you truly believe these items are the same as the 18 yr old black man, who in a video "appears" to be strongarming a shopkeeper? and this is minutes before an altercation with the police?

    maybe you are stretching things just a wee bit too much there......

    i dont see any connection or correlation between the two
    good grief
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    While he did push the clerk, the surveillance camera clearly shows his companion holding the box of swishers while Brown was only holding a couple of packs. Not that it matters but it keeps bugging me that it reports he stole the box, when it clearly shows he had the packs not the box.
    He reached over the counter ... he gave the other guy something ... he shoved the clerk ... then took a step toward the clerk that said "you want a piece of me?" and the clerk cowered away.
    No matter how you cut it, the video does not look like slam-dunk material for a boffo resume.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I disagree. I think any judgement about "which have caused the most problems" depends entirely on your perspective.

    I see alot of speculation in this and straying from the facts.

    So there are also different ways to interpret the protests. Right? You can choose to see them as unfounded and nothing more than an example of their inherently uncivil behavior...you can see them as being lead by the nose by race-baiters like Sharpton......you can see them as a community of people sick and tired of being singled out for harassment by their local police force not to mention the entire judicial system....etc. Name your poison.

    Either way, there IS indeed a problem here that needs to be heard and I mean heard and not dismissed any more. I tend to believe that if an entire community is this outraged they are this outraged for a reason.
    There is no reason for the protests, particularly without a good deal of information about the actual situation when they first started. The community was outraged as a knee jerk reaction rather than actually being patient and waiting for the facts to see if there was really something to be outraged about. There very well might be, but no one knows that even now, yet protests have already happened.
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