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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    They are still human beings behind the gun. They are capable of having emotions, being irrational and letting their own prejudices influence their decision. I understand that officers are trained in this way but I find it hard to believe that's it's necessary in ANY kind of potentially threatening situation. This case may be a very good example of when shooting to kill was not necessary and at the very least will encourage a different approach especially when dealing with someone who is unarmed.

    I understand that police officers have a profoundly difficult job and I personally am thankful they are there doing that job. However, they have the power and authority to take someones life. I don't think insistence on a little more discretion is unreasonable.
    Tell that to the family of a cop who used a little more discretion and didn't live to learn from their mistake.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No. No it isn't. What exactly do you think it tells you about this kids"state of mind"? Do you live in a bubble? You think taking cigars from a liqueur store means he was in some crazed state of mind?
    No but if he thought the cop knew that he'd done it, it could certainly make him think he'd been caught and it was more than being asked to move out of the road (guilty conscience?)
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Did you have to submit to the subpoena? Here in WA st I dont know if there is a subpoena issued but the rest is like you described. But here, cops dont necessarily show up for the court date. And if they dont, the ticket/violation is dismissed. This does go back a few yrs, but not more than 7 or so.
    For the Admin day (the first court date on your citation) no, police don't have to show up, we aren't subpoenaed until someone challenges the ticket and a new date in trial court is set.

    And, in the department I worked for, you had to show up for court or you were subject to disciplinary action.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No but if he thought the cop knew that he'd done it, it could certainly make him think he'd been caught and it was more than being asked to move out of the road (guilty conscience?)
    Perhaps, but would being caught for stealing cigars motivate someone to charge an armed cop? I find that highly unlikely
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Perhaps, but would being caught for stealing cigars motivate someone to charge an armed cop? I find that highly unlikely
    Well there were a few things that led up to that, if it happened. Including physical contact and at least one gunshot.

    If you were guilty....who knows what you'd do to escape consequences?
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hello my friend.

    It seems to me, someone stealing something from a store, threatening physical harm to the store keeper when confronted with the theft, and then walking down the middle of the street in a manner that suggest people can go screw themselves, indicates Brown wasn't to keen on anything that hinted at following the law.

    Trying to show what a tough street guy he was seems plausible.
    Hey O.
    Sure appears that way.
    That video from the store was something right out of a TV show ... but real life ... that he was copying.
    Looks like he was slipping into that kind of thug persona ... despite the reports of him going off to college and such.
    I don't think taking on a smaller cop and trying to grab his weapon would be out of the question.
    We shall see.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The stuff about family life is relevant to the extent that it could make him prone to anger and violence. It is most definitely relevant that he came from a police department that had to be disbanded due to frequent excessive force complaints. A similarly abusive culture appears to have permeated the Ferguson police department. Such an environment does make the odds of him being prone to excessive use of force much higher.
    Unless you can prove that not only was Officer Wilson involved in the excessive force complaints or even the racial tensions of that other department, but that he is also part of some "abusive culture" that you believe is "permeating" Ferguson, which isn't looking very promising considering the information we have now about Wilson, then it isn't relevant. People should not be considered guilty by association whether they are civilians or police.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Tell that to the family of a cop who used a little more discretion and didn't live to learn from their mistake.
    Tell this to the family of a victim of a cop who used too little discretion and died for another person's "mistake."

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Perhaps, but would being caught for stealing cigars motivate someone to charge an armed cop? I find that highly unlikely
    He knew he could have gotten charged with more than simple theft though. It would have been robbery and assault at least. He possibly faced robbery in the 2nd degree, which is a Class B felony, and at least assault in the 3rd degree, which is a misdemeanor. He couldn't really know what anyone told the cops. At the very least, assuming he actually did pay for the cigars, he had to know that pushing the clerk could be assault. But since his friend said that they had robbed the store, then he faced the higher charge as well, and knew it was a possibility. Was he likely to keep a scholarship if he was charged with a felony level robbery? Doubtful. He also likely knew such a charge could lose him the scholarship and/or admission to college. To some people, that is worth charging an armed officer. Not everyone thinks rationally, especially in situations like this one.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    "Michael Brown, 18, due to be buried on Monday, was no angel, with public records and interviews with friends and family revealing both problems and promise in his young life. Shortly before his encounter with Officer Wilson, the police say he was caught on a security camera stealing a box of cigars, pushing the clerk of a convenience store into a display case. He lived in a community that had rough patches, and he dabbled in drugs and alcohol. He had taken to rapping in recent months, producing lyrics that were by turns contemplative and vulgar. He got into at least one scuffle with a neighbor."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/us...=top-news&_r=0
    While he did push the clerk, the surveillance camera clearly shows his companion holding the box of swishers while Brown was only holding a couple of packs. Not that it matters but it keeps bugging me that it reports he stole the box, when it clearly shows he had the packs not the box.
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