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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How about it was released to show his state of mind when faced with a police officer after his strong arm robbery?

    So what do you think Browns state of mind was after stealing cigars, roughing up the shopkeeper
    , and then deciding he deserved to break pedestrian laws by walking down the middle of the street?
    That he was working on his street cred?

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I'm suggesting that they may have other options besides shooting to kill
    Depends of course, if they are able to use other methods.

    But if they shoot, they are required to shoot center of mass...the chest. The intent is to stop the threat and they are supposed to keep shooting until the threat is stopped: on the ground, immobile, unconscious, dead, surrendering, etc.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You know, that's been my same response when reading your posts.

    So, no comment then? It's a legitimate question.
    No. No it isn't. What exactly do you think it tells you about this kids"state of mind"? Do you live in a bubble? You think taking cigars from a liqueur store means he was in some crazed state of mind?
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Oh so now the 300lb giant is a small target. How convenient.
    Well Wilson only got his arm for the most part and then it appears (we dont know) that Brown may have fallen forward into the other shots.

    So...he wasnt able to aim correctly, was he? Guess it wasnt that easy.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No. No it isn't. What exactly do you think it tells you about this kids"state of mind"? Do you live in a bubble? You think taking cigars from a liqueur store means he was in some crazed state of mind?
    Oh good lord

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Depends of course, if they are able to use other methods.

    But if they shoot, they are required to shoot center of mass...the chest. The intent is to stop the threat and they are supposed to keep shooting until the threat is stopped: on the ground, immobile, unconscious, dead, surrendering, etc.
    They are still human beings behind the gun. They are capable of having emotions, being irrational and letting their own prejudices influence their decision. I understand that officers are trained in this way but I find it hard to believe that's it's necessary in ANY kind of potentially threatening situation. This case may be a very good example of when shooting to kill was not necessary and at the very least will encourage a different approach especially when dealing with someone who is unarmed.

    I understand that police officers have a profoundly difficult job and I personally am thankful they are there doing that job. However, they have the power and authority to take someones life. I don't think insistence on a little more discretion is unreasonable.
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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    "Michael Brown, 18, due to be buried on Monday, was no angel, with public records and interviews with friends and family revealing both problems and promise in his young life. Shortly before his encounter with Officer Wilson, the police say he was caught on a security camera stealing a box of cigars, pushing the clerk of a convenience store into a display case. He lived in a community that had rough patches, and he dabbled in drugs and alcohol. He had taken to rapping in recent months, producing lyrics that were by turns contemplative and vulgar. He got into at least one scuffle with a neighbor."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/us...=top-news&_r=0

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    They are still human beings behind the gun. They are capable of having emotions, being irrational and letting their own prejudices influence their decision. I understand that officers are trained in this way but I find it hard to believe that's it's necessary in ANY kind of potentially threatening situation. This case may be a very good example of when shooting to kill was not necessary and at the very least will encourage a different approach especially when dealing with someone who is unarmed.

    I understand that police officers have a profoundly difficult job and I personally am thankful they are there doing that job. However, they have the power and authority to take someones life. I don't think insistence on a little more discretion is unreasonable.
    The requirement has nothing to do with anyone's 'feelings.' The reason is safety, pure and simple.

    It has to do with what you have already been told: under extreme stress, it's very difficult to aim well, esp. at a moving target. Brown appears to be proof of this, as so many were hand/arm shots.

    You only shoot if there is a lethal threat, to stop gross bodily harm, commission of a forcible felony, to protect the safety of the public if you think their escape would do so, etc.

    The implication...the fact...is that you have to stop the threat to protect your safety and the public's. Otherwise...as may also have happened with Brown...they can keep coming. THey may be on drugs, they are amped on adreneline, they are crazy. They can get hold of the cop's gun. Kill him, kill bystanders.

    The standard is to shoot to center of mass for the best chance of stopping the threat. If a cop has time to think, 'oh jeez, maybe he didnt mean it,' either he has time to remove himself from the threat or the attacker will still be on him.

    Did you read nothing else in these threads? I provided a link to the Tueller Drill, which has been tested and is admissable in court: an attacker can reach and kill a cop/person before they have time to draw, aim, and shoot if they are closer than 22 feet. They can cover that distance and overpower in 1.5 seconds.

    I also posted a link about a cop being killed here, by a crazy naked guy. The guy overpowered him and killed him with his own gun.

    Can you imagine how the media would have crucified that cop, had he lived, if he had even drawn his gun on the naked guy? He may very well have been killed because he knew how hard it would be to prove the lethal threat....killed by following the law. That's where the criminals always have an advantage...they dont have to waste time worrying about accidentally hitting bystanders or figuring out how the police review board or a jury will view it.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    That he was working on his street cred?
    Hello my friend.

    It seems to me, someone stealing something from a store, threatening physical harm to the store keeper when confronted with the theft, and then walking down the middle of the street in a manner that suggest people can go screw themselves, indicates Brown wasn't to keen on anything that hinted at following the law.

    Trying to show what a tough street guy he was seems plausible.

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    Re: Darren Wilsonís first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't think insistence on a little more discretion is unreasonable.
    The laws on the use of lethal force, even for cops, are very clear and very strict.

    The bar is very high.

    It's determining if the circumstances warranted where we run into issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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