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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Indeed.

    But the key word is disconnect - it sounded like it was more a cultural disconnect - as in the mainly white police force flat out does not understand where the people who live in the mainly black community are coming from - rather than actual racism on the part of the police.

    Perhaps that's effectively racism, but from what the interviewee was saying it sounded more like bad assumptions on the part of the police.

    I found this bit especially telling:
    I agree, it does sound like the white police force doesn't understand. That lack of understanding, however, does not make their attitudes any less likely to be racism. It just means that their racism is rooted in ignorance - as most racism is. And yes, the white police force does seem to be making "bad assumptions" - assumptions that are racist.

    What she describes is a group of white people perceiving white people as the embodiment of the same racist stereotypes of black people that have always existed in this country. Black people are ignorant, violent and unworthy of respect. It's racism and reducing it to just "ignorance" or "bad assumptions" just makes it sound better.

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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

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    I agree, it does sound like the white police force doesn't understand. That lack of understanding, however, does not make their attitudes any less likely to be racism. It just means that their racism is rooted in ignorance - as most racism is. And yes, the white police force does seem to be making "bad assumptions" - assumptions that are racist.

    What she describes is a group of white people perceiving white people as the embodiment of the same racist stereotypes of black people that have always existed in this country. Black people are ignorant, violent and unworthy of respect. It's racism and reducing it to just "ignorance" or "bad assumptions" just makes it sound better.
    The problem is that if you start calling it racism, there are assumptions made about the people involved as well.

    In this case they may even apply, in the main. But I dislike prompting ignorance through my word choices.
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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    lucky for this woman she remains anonymous or else she should be thrown off the force for being an idiot. She thinks it's EASIER for a white cop to shoot and kill a black person?! It's fine if a know nothing protester or Al Sharpton to spew that garbage, but not a police officer. She should know better than to make such foolish comments, especially when it is one of her "brothers in arms" who could go to jail for the rest of his life. Let's hope SHE never has to deal with that same situation, and if so hopefully her fellow policemen will be more supportive than she is being.

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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The problem is that if you start calling it racism, there are assumptions made about the people involved as well.
    1. "Assumptions" aren't being made. "Assumptions" are conclusions that are made without evidence or proof. Concluding that a group of white people perceiving a group of black people as the embodiment of historically racist stereotypes are racist themselves is not a conclusion made without evidence or proof. On the contrary, it is a conclusion made as the result of evidence/proof.

    2. If a white man lynched a black man while calling him a nigger, would you assume he is a racist or would you withhold judgment just in case he was just an angry dude who likes rap music?

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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. "Assumptions" aren't being made. "Assumptions" are conclusions that are made without evidence or proof. Concluding that a group of white people perceiving a group of black people as the embodiment of historically racist stereotypes are racist themselves is not a conclusion made without evidence or proof. On the contrary, it is a conclusion made as the result of evidence/proof.
    Assumptions can be made based on incomplete evidence and/or facts. I agree that the police sound racist. But it's not clear whether that is based on flat-out racism or a more generalized ignorant beliefs that people from a given area are basically a riot waiting to happen. That was the point of the article in the OP, at least in part - assumptions possibly led to a police officer assuming he was in more danger than was actually the case.

    I suppose I'm wondering whether we should simply....dismiss it as racism....or examine for additional and/or deeper problems.

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    2. If a white man lynched a black man while calling him a nigger, would you assume he is a racist or would you withhold judgment just in case he was just an angry dude who likes rap music?
    I'd say he was racist based on the evidence, with a slight possibility that he was mentally deranged.
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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    lucky for this woman she remains anonymous or else she should be thrown off the force for being an idiot. She thinks it's EASIER for a white cop to shoot and kill a black person?! It's fine if a know nothing protester or Al Sharpton to lookspew that garbage, but not a police officer. She should know better than to make such foolish comments, especially when it is one of her "brothers in arms" who could go to jail for the rest of his life. Let's hope SHE never has to deal with that same situation, and if so hopefully her fellow policemen will be more supportive than she is being.


    Tsk, tsk, tsk. Maybe you should reread the article and put what she said in context.

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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Assumptions can be made based on incomplete evidence and/or facts. I agree that the police sound racist. But it's not clear whether that is based on flat-out racism or a more generalized ignorant beliefs that people from a given area are basically a riot waiting to happen. That was the point of the article in the OP, at least in part - assumptions possibly led to a police officer assuming he was in more danger than was actually the case.

    I suppose I'm wondering whether we should simply....dismiss it as racism....or examine for additional and/or deeper problems.
    To call it racism is not to "dismiss" it as racism. I think your discomfort with the use of the word "racism" may be rooted in a false perception of how people, including the woman from the article, come to the conclusion that racism is the primary issue. You describe that conclusion as if it is one that has not been come to through educated analysis, but instead through surface analysis. You question whether or not we should "examine for additional and/or deeper problems", but what you fail to see is that some of us have already completed that examination and have, as a result, come to the conclusion that it is, in fact, racism. Your assumption that perceptions of racism are not the product of thoughtful examination is the problem.

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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    lucky for this woman she remains anonymous or else she should be thrown off the force for being an idiot. She thinks it's EASIER for a white cop to shoot and kill a black person?! It's fine if a know nothing protester or Al Sharpton to spew that garbage, but not a police officer. She should know better than to make such foolish comments, especially when it is one of her "brothers in arms" who could go to jail for the rest of his life. Let's hope SHE never has to deal with that same situation, and if so hopefully her fellow policemen will be more supportive than she is being.
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    Al Sharpton Talks Tough To Blacks In Ferguson, But Fox Mostly Doesn't Care

    Rev. Al Sharpton delivered a nuanced eulogy Monday at the funeral for Michael Brown, a fiery speech that was one part a critique of overzealous policing and one part a candid commentary on problems in the black community. Quick: Which part do you think Fox News played up?

    Never mind that there was plenty in Sharpton's stemwinder that should have pleased Fox's biggest star, Bill O'Reilly, who for years has harangued black people to eradicate what he deems as social and cultural ills in their community.

    "Blackness has never been about being a gangster or thug," Sharpton said in the eulogy for the 18-year-old who was killed by a white police officer earlier this month in Ferguson, Mo. "Blackness was no matter how low we was pushed down, we rose up anyhow."

    He continued with that theme, even denouncing what he described as "ghetto pity parties."...

    Not white enough for some people I guess.

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    Re: BBC: African-American police officer: Ferguson 'heart wrenching'

    Only two conservatives showed up for comment, and only one spoke to the op. this is what happens when something pops up that pokes holes in your meme. Too bad people are driven by ideology instead of justice.
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