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Utah protesters demand justice for Dillon Taylor, others killed by police

Misterveritis said:
Testimony? You have reports under oath?
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Don't know, do you? The point is that there are conflicting witness reports, so whether or not Brown's killing was justified, hasn't been determined. A Grand Jury is working it now.
 
tres borrachos said:
Sharpton is the one bemoaning the shooting by police of unarmed men, isn't he? Why, yes he is.

I'm not.
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No! He's concerned with white cops shooting unarmed black men. The Utah case doesn't fit that. So it makes as much sense for him to be there as it does for you to be there.
 
j-mac said:
Come on OV. You're making this about generational oppression, to which I would say that although there are more opportunities for black people in every aspect of society than ever before, there is still some out there that are racist, and probably always will be. But those are the exception to the rule today.

As to why the media hypes this so? I'd say that most in the MSM are dyed in the wool liberals, that are either displaying classic "white guilt", or they view themselves as as some kind of useful pawns to the race hustling grievance industry. Either way they are not being honest about it, especially when black on black crime is the predominantly overwhelming reason for black men dying today under circumstance of gun play.
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No, I am not. I'm merely attempting to illustrate to you why the media plays the race card where physical assault and/or the death of a Black person by a White person is more commonly reported in U.S. media than the assault and/or death of a White person by a Black person. It's very apparent that when such events happen, Blacks tend to take such acts more personally because of the dark history this country has in its treatment towards minorities, Blacks in particular. To illustrate this point yet again, below is the relevant portion of my previous post on the matter:

Objective Voice said:
I fully understand why you're upset about the lack of reporting on the death of the White men and the clear racial attack of the elderly White woman. You hear all the media reports of young Black male teens being killed by cops or White people being harassed by Black teens or killed by Black cops and you wonder "where's the fairness and justice" being shown to Blacks when these same crimes are happening to Whites. Believe me, as a Black man, I understand your frustration here. But as I've said to other posters here who have identified themselves as White, the reason there doesn't seem to be much outrage over such stories is because historically Whites haven't been mistreated and oppressed in this country in the ways Black and other minorities have for as long as they have. Culturally speaking, the wounds are deeper when it's a Black person or a Black community that is perceived to have been unjustly treated and the media makes sure the nation sees the gaping wholes. Unfortunately, the absence of such storylines also prove to reflect a purposeful disparity in [reporting that] White people can also be mistreated [at times at the hands of Black people].

None of this justifies the lack of reporting/lack of attention of such cruelty. But hopefully this sheds some light on why much of it never makes the national news.
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Just because I mention "culturally deep wounds" felt by Blacks when collectively we feel an injustice has been perpetrated against us doesn't mean I'm speaking directly to generations of oppression felt at the hands of White people. My post didn't address such cruelties at all. I merely pointed out why the media plays on that "generational snapshot of racial cruelty".
 
Objective Voice said:
No, I am not. I'm merely attempting to illustrate to you why the media plays the race card where physical assault and/or the death of a Black person by a White person is more commonly reported in U.S. media than the assault and/or death of a White person by a Black person. It's very apparent that when such events happen, Blacks tend to take such acts more personally because of the dark history this country has in its treatment towards minorities, Blacks in particular. To illustrate this point yet again, below is the relevant portion of my previous post on the matter:



Note: Edits to original post in brackets

Just because I mention "culturally deep wounds" felt by Blacks when collectively we feel an injustice has been perpetrated against us doesn't mean I'm speaking directly to generations of oppression felt at the hands of White people. My post didn't address such cruelties at all. I merely pointed out why the media plays on that "generational snapshot of racial cruelty".
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Well, I believe it is because they play the ratings game with aiding the race baiting industry...Look at MSNBC, Sharpton has his own show for goodness sake. Do you really think he deserves a show? You think he is broadcast material?

 
j-mac said:
Well, I believe it is because they play the ratings game with aiding the race baiting industry...Look at MSNBC, Sharpton has his own show for goodness sake. Do you really think he deserves a show? You think he is broadcast material?

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Who am I to question whether or not Al Sharpton is qualified to host a national broadcast news show, if he deserves such or if he's even "broadcast material"? Clearly, somebody believed him qualified to do the job. So, they hired him. What those qualification were I don't know, but even if it were his years of social outreach within African-American communities in NYC or the mere fact that he's an outspoken Black man, somebody thought well enough of him to give him a job where he sits before the TV camera and speaks to a national viewing audience.

Now, if you want to get technical, I think as highly of Bill O'Rielly and Rush Limbaugh as you do All Sharpton (and presumably, Jessie Jackson), but I won't question whether or not any of them deserve their own news/radio talk show or if they're broadcast material. However, I reserve the right to call each an idiot if I so desire and agree or disagree with their stated positions as I so please. And so do you.

(And for the record, I don't care for Al Sharpton nor Jessie Jackson. I think both are opportunist, not activist. Of course, even if they were activist my opinion of both men wouldn't change. As to the video you posted above...HILARIOUS!...Yes, the man was a train wreck that day. :lamo)
 
Montecresto said:
Don't know, do you? The point is that there are conflicting witness reports, so whether or not Brown's killing was justified, hasn't been determined. A Grand Jury is working it now.
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So you are claiming to have seen grand jury testimony?
 
Misterveritis said:
And these are statements made under oath?

If so the ones who have lied should be prosecuted, found guilty and fined heavily.
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I don't know whether or not the statements we've all read from witnesses were made under oath or not. But right now a Grand Jury is hearing prosecutors evidence that they hope will convince the panel that there is probable cause that Wilson wrongfully killed Brown. And there's a reason why the GJ has a reputation of being a rubber stamp.
 
j-mac said:
mmmmmmm-k....Unfortunately that is not why Sharpton is there, that is not why Jackson showed up too...Clearly the media also sees this as a race issue, that's why for nearly half a month we were treated to non stop coverage, with breathless reporters pushing the race of the cop, and the race of Brown....So, you'll excuse me if I don't buy it totally, but good for you if true.
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Not entirely. Certainly there are those that are going to try to make this a race thing....just like you tried to make it a race this. For a lot of people....its not a race thing. I couldn't care less if the victim is white/black or whatever and/or the cop is black/white or whatever. Things like this shouldn't happen. I also recognize that the vast majority of cops out there are good people who try to do a good and fair job. It is always the bad apples that make it bad for the good ones though.
 
Montecresto said:
I don't know whether or not the statements we've all read from witnesses were made under oath or not. But right now a Grand Jury is hearing prosecutors evidence that they hope will convince the panel that there is probable cause that Wilson wrongfully killed Brown. And there's a reason why the GJ has a reputation of being a rubber stamp.
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If the grand jury hears the witnesses then testimony will be taken.

Until then all we have are statements.
 
All you anti cop punks are never aware of what a cop has to go through every day and night of his working life. How many times have any of you cowards thought to yourself as you were walking toward someone,"is this person armed"? Every knock on a door or pulling over a car could be the end of your life so if they are on edge tough sht, deal with it.
 
In the Dillon Taylor case, the police officer recording the entire incident (including the shooting) on his body camera. So we won't be left wondering what happened there. In the second case, that's a group of racist young black people committing a hate crime. I don't get it. What does that have to do with anything?

Maybe what you're missing is that black people don't need to hear a story in the news to know that the police target black people and treat them like criminals. They live that every day. If you were constantly being stopped by the police and forced to show them your ID and tell them why you dared to mind your own business in a public place, then you'd be pissed off at cops too. The Michael Brown case gets so much hype because it is the most extreme example of what happens when the police target black people, especially young black people, especially young male black people. And the media takes it to another level because people love talking about this issue.

But the fact remains that there has been more money raised for Michael Brown's shooter than for Michael Brown. This is a very divisive issue, and this thread does nothing more than further stir the pot by insinuating that the issue of black men being targeted by white police officers is not legitimate.
 
Objective Voice said:
Who am I to question whether or not Al Sharpton is qualified to host a national broadcast news show, if he deserves such or if he's even "broadcast material"?
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Aw come on man....I'm not asking if you are in broadcast television and can give an industry critique, but only if you think he was qualified to sit in front of the camera....And you stepped out of the box dodging the question....:doh

Clearly, somebody believed him qualified to do the job. So, they hired him. What those qualification were I don't know, but even if it were his years of social outreach within African-American communities in NYC or the mere fact that he's an outspoken Black man, somebody thought well enough of him to give him a job where he sits before the TV camera and speaks to a national viewing audience.
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There were whispers when he got the gig, of the usual race hustle extortion going on...

"[L]ast year, Comcast enlisted Mr. Sharpton to help lobby for its bid to buy NBC Universal, which owns MSNBC. Both Mr. Sharpton and Comcast deny any quid pro quo, and it’s hard to believe Mr. Sharpton’s support would be worth the risk to ratings - besides, back then he was untried, and MSNBC had no vacancies." - Alessandra Stanley at the New York Times

How Did Al Sharpton End Up With a Show on MSNBC? -- NYMag

And if you think that MSNBC can just get rid of him now that he has dragged the ratings at 6 pm into the dead last basement for NBC in the cable slot, think again....This is an old school gangster type in the race hustle, and he is about getting things not letting go.

Now, if you want to get technical, I think as highly of Bill O'Rielly and Rush Limbaugh as you do All Sharpton (and presumably, Jessie Jackson), but I won't question whether or not any of them deserve their own news/radio talk show or if they're broadcast material.
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Are you serious? Either O'Rielly, or Limbaugh has credentials that make it clear that Sharpton used extortion, and intimidation to get his show.

O'Rielly - "O'Reilly's early television news career included reporting and anchoring positions at WNEP-TV in Scranton, Pennsylvania, where he also reported the weather. At WFAA-TV in Dallas, O'Reilly was awarded the Dallas Press Club Award for excellence in investigative reporting. He then moved to KMGH-TV in Denver, where he won a local Emmy Award for his coverage of a skyjacking.[30] O'Reilly also worked for KATU in Portland, Oregon, WFSB in Hartford, Connecticut, and WNEV-TV (now WHDH-TV) in Boston.
In 1980 O'Reilly anchored the local news-feature program 7:30 Magazine at WCBS-TV in New York. Soon after, as a WCBS News anchor and correspondent, he won his second local Emmy, for an investigation of corrupt city marshals. In 1982 he was promoted to the network as a CBS News correspondent and covered the wars in El Salvador and the Falkland Islands from his base in Buenos Aires, Argentina. He later left CBS over a dispute concerning the uncredited use in a report by Bob Schieffer of riot footage shot by O'Reilly's crew in Buenos Aires during the Falklands conflict.[31]
O'Reilly joined ABC News as a correspondent in 1986. He delivered a eulogy for his friend Joe Spencer, an ABC News correspondent who died in a helicopter crash on January 22, 1986, en route to covering the Hormel meatpacker strike that day. ABC News president Roone Arledge, who attended Spencer's funeral, decided to hire O'Reilly after hearing his eulogy.[32] At ABC, O'Reilly hosted daytime news briefs that prev"iewed stories to be reported on the day's World News Tonight and worked as a general assignment reporter for ABC News programs, including Good Morning America, Nightline, and World News Tonight.[33]
O'Reilly has stated that his interest and style in media came from several CBS and ABC personalities, including Mike Wallace, Howard Cosell, Dick Snyder and Peter Jennings."

Bill O'Reilly (political commentator) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Limbaugh - "In 1984, Limbaugh returned to radio as a talk show host at KFBK in Sacramento, California, where he replaced Morton Downey, Jr.[5] The repeal of the Fairness Doctrine—which had required that stations provide free air time for responses to any controversial opinions that were broadcast—by the FCC in 1987 meant stations could broadcast editorial commentary without having to present opposing views. Daniel Henninger wrote, in a Wall Street Journal editorial, "Ronald Reagan tore down this wall (the Fairness Doctrine) in 1987 ... and Rush Limbaugh was the first man to proclaim himself liberated from the East Germany of liberal media domination."[17]
On August 1, 1988, after achieving success in Sacramento and drawing the attention of former ABC Radio President Edward McLaughlin, Limbaugh moved to New York City and began his national radio show. He debuted just weeks after the Democratic National Convention, and just weeks before the Republican National Convention. Limbaugh's radio home in New York City was the talk-formatted WABC, and this remains his flagship station (although Limbaugh now hosts his program from West Palm Beach).[5]"

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"In 1992, Ronald Reagan sent Limbaugh a letter in which he thanked him "for all you're doing to promote Republican and conservative principles ... [and] you have become the Number One voice for conservatism in our Country."[41][42]
Limbaugh was the 1992, 1995, 2000 and 2005 recipient of the Marconi Radio Award for Syndicated Radio Personality of the Year (given by the National Association of Broadcasters), joining the syndicated Bob & Tom Show and Don Imus as the only other four-time winners of a Marconi award. He was inducted into the National Radio Hall of Fame in 1993.
In 2002, Talkers Magazine ranked him as the greatest radio talk show host of all time.[43] Limbaugh is the highest-paid syndicated radio host.[44]
On March 29, 2007, Limbaugh was awarded the inaugural William F. Buckley, Jr. Award for Media Excellence, by the Media Research Center, a conservative media analysis group.[45]
On January 5, 2008, the conservative magazine Human Events announced Limbaugh as their 2007 Man of the Year.[46]
On December 1, 2008, TV Guide reported that Limbaugh was selected as one of America's top ten most fascinating people of 2008 for a Barbara Walters ABC special that aired on December 4, 2008.[47]
On February 28, 2009, following his self-described "first address to the Nation" lasting 90 minutes, carried live on CNN and Fox News and recorded for C-SPAN, Limbaugh received CPAC's "Defender of the Constitution Award", a document originally signed by Benjamin Franklin, given to someone "who has stood up for the First Amendment ... Rush Limbaugh is for America, exactly what Benjamin Franklin did for the Founding Fathers ... the only way we will be successful is if we listen to Rush Limbaugh".[48]
Zev Chafets, whose book Rush Limbaugh: An Army of One was published May 25, 2010, wrote after the first primaries of the 2010 U.S. election season that Limbaugh was "the brains and the spirit behind" the Republican Party's "resurgence" in the wake of the 2008 election of President Barack Obama. In his May 20, 2010, New York Times op-ed column, Chafets pointed among others to Sen. Arlen Specter's defeat, after being labeled by Limbaugh "Republican in Name Only," and to Sarah Palin, whose "biggest current applause line—Republicans are not just the party of no, but the party of hell no—came courtesy of Mr. Limbaugh." More generally, Chafets wrote, Limbaugh has argued the party-of-no Ronald Reagan conservative course for the Republicans vigorously, notably since six weeks after the Obama inauguration, and has been fundamental to, and encouraging to, the more prominently noted Tea Party movement.[49]
Rush Limbaugh was inducted into the Hall of Famous Missourians on May 14, 2012.[50] A bronze bust of Limbaugh is now on display in the Missouri State Capitol building in Jefferson City. It is the only such bust with its own security camera to discourage vandalism.[51][52]
The Children's Book Council named Limbaugh their 2014 Author of the Year for his book Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims: Time-Travel Adventures with Exceptional Americans.[53]"

Rush Limbaugh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Either one of those two, regardless of your agreement with their political positions, is infinitely more qualified to be "on air" than a marble mouthed, bumbler like Sharpton. But then again, NBC is no longer about "Journalism" of any kind these days, I understand that. :cool:

However, I reserve the right to call each an idiot if I so desire and agree or disagree with their stated positions as I so please. And so do you.
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Nice bit of straw there. No one said you couldn't....Regardless of how foolish it makes you look defending someone like Sharpton hosting a show at the traditional dinner news hour.

(And for the record, I don't care for Al Sharpton nor Jessie Jackson. I think both are opportunist, not activist. Of course, even if they were activist my opinion of both men wouldn't change. As to the video you posted above...HILARIOUS!...Yes, the man was a train wreck that day. :lamo)
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Ok....My only caveat would be to say "that day"???? I'd say that the man struggles to put sentences together understandably on a minute to minute basis....:lamo
 
jmac,

IMO, you're working way too hard to turn this thread into a Black or White issue. I didn't watch Al Sharpton's segment on MSNBC even when I did have cable. So, for me to comment one way or another as to whether I think he deserves his own show would be unfair. Nonetheless, I've already said I really don't care for him or Jessie Jackson. Therefore, I'd suggest you simple take that for what it's worth. In short, if Al Sharpton was fired from broadcasting this very evening it wouldn't matter to me one way or another. That being said, I have listened to Rush Limbaugh's talk radio show and I have watched Bill O'Rielly's show on FoxNews Channel. I can stomach Bill; I can't stand Rush.
 
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