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Utah protesters demand justice for Dillon Taylor, others killed by police

Posters on this board claim black people can't be racist.

Is j-mac a member of the Westbrook Baptist Church?

Quit saying Westrook. Its Westboro. People need to quit playing the race game. All it does is perpetuate the issue of racial division. Drop it already. Yeah, there is never the same media coverage because that doesn't sell as much as white on black. The media is at fault here and you are buying into all the hype. Its time we turn our sights on the media and lambast them when they start this crap. The coverage in Ferguson was/is abominable. Lots of internet bloggers claiming to be "media" just to get a video while enticing the cops. Bunch of morons. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
I fully understand why you're upset about the lack of reporting on the death of the White men and the clear racial attack of the elderly White woman. You hear all the media reports of young Black male teens being killed by cops or White people being harassed by Black teens or killed by Black cops and you wonder "where's the fairness and justice" being shown to Blacks when these same crimes are happening to Whites. Believe me, as a Black man, I understand your frustration here. But as I've said to other posters here who have identified themselves as White, the reason there doesn't seem to be much outrage over such stories is because historically Whites haven't been mistreated and oppressed in this country in the ways Black and other minorities have for as long as they have. Culturally speaking, the wounds are deeper when it's a Black person or a Black community that is perceived to have been unjustly treated and the media makes sure the nation sees the gaping wholes. Unfortunately, the absence of such storylines also prove to reflect a purposeful disparity in White people can also be mistreated.

None of this justifies the lack of reporting/lack of attention of such cruelty. But hopefully this sheds some light on why much of it never makes the national news. That leads me to why you won't see Pres. Obama speak out on such matters. IMHO, contrary to what many would like to believe, I don't think he purposefully selects what racial shooting he'll hold a press conference on. Remember: It's the national storyline that affects the entire country that brings him before the podium. I'm sure if the country became riveted by the brutal, senseless killing of a White kid by a Black cop or a Black gang, he'd speak out about that, too. But until such killings make the national headlines - CNN, FOX, NYTimes, Washington Times/Post, etc., etc., you likely won't hear him talk about it. Not defending him; just telling it like it is. You can blame the media for that, though. No the President.

While I see your point, I am a firm believer it is the people in the media and in Washington that are holding our diversified society back from progressing towards unity. The paternalistic nature of the whole race debate is a joke. There is a sense of white guilt and black resentment that just isn't going away. Rather than provide real support for the black communities, congress just passes along handouts and social programs that do little to teach someone how to be self sufficient. They literally advocate the policy of "have another kid, get some more cash". I fear we have gone too far down that road to return to self sustainability. Things will only get worse because nothing is changing in a fundamental way (esp. in the inner cities). The only change has been the expansion of the social programs, aka handouts. Last time I checked, handouts don't usually motivate one's self.

Racial tensions will never die when we have the media out for sensational news that makes them the most money along with a congress that does little to solve the problems except throw some money at it in the wrong ways.
 
Quit saying Westrook. Its Westboro. People need to quit playing the race game. All it does is perpetuate the issue of racial division. Drop it already. Yeah, there is never the same media coverage because that doesn't sell as much as white on black. The media is at fault here and you are buying into all the hype. Its time we turn our sights on the media and lambast them when they start this crap. The coverage in Ferguson was/is abominable. Lots of internet bloggers claiming to be "media" just to get a video while enticing the cops. Bunch of morons. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Uh, I wasn't the one who posted "Westbrook Baptist Church". I quoted someone else. I asked if the poster he directed that to was a member of the church whose name he posted. :roll:
 
I fully understand why you're upset about the lack of reporting on the death of the White men and the clear racial attack of the elderly White woman. You hear all the media reports of young Black male teens being killed by cops or White people being harassed by Black teens or killed by Black cops and you wonder "where's the fairness and justice" being shown to Blacks when these same crimes are happening to Whites. Believe me, as a Black man, I understand your frustration here. But as I've said to other posters here who have identified themselves as White, the reason there doesn't seem to be much outrage over such stories is because historically Whites haven't been mistreated and oppressed in this country in the ways Black and other minorities have for as long as they have. Culturally speaking, the wounds are deeper when it's a Black person or a Black community that is perceived to have been unjustly treated and the media makes sure the nation sees the gaping wholes. Unfortunately, the absence of such storylines also prove to reflect a purposeful disparity in White people can also be mistreated.

None of this justifies the lack of reporting/lack of attention of such cruelty. But hopefully this sheds some light on why much of it never makes the national news. That leads me to why you won't see Pres. Obama speak out on such matters. IMHO, contrary to what many would like to believe, I don't think he purposefully selects what racial shooting he'll hold a press conference on. Remember: It's the national storyline that affects the entire country that brings him before the podium. I'm sure if the country became riveted by the brutal, senseless killing of a White kid by a Black cop or a Black gang, he'd speak out about that, too. But until such killings make the national headlines - CNN, FOX, NYTimes, Washington Times/Post, etc., etc., you likely won't hear him talk about it. Not defending him; just telling it like it is. You can blame the media for that, though. No the President.

I completely 1000% agree with your last thoughts in this post. While I am not Obama's biggest fan, I only criticize him when it's worth a criticism, and his response to Ferguson IMO isn't worth the criticism for just the reason you laid out. In this situation (Ferguson), the media really tied his hands. He had no choice but to weigh in on it, not only for political reasons, but for logical ones. Can you imagine how the press would be all over him if he didn't weigh in? The press in this country is a mystery. What they demand a response to is not usually what you think they should be demanding. The days of responsible journalism are long over, and unfortunately that now goes with the territory if you want to be POTUS.
 
So now that it was a black cop killing a white man, all the Ferguson police apologists have decided police brutality/unaccountably is actually worth protesting. Funny how that happens...

I'm starting to think that race just shouldn't be provided in criminal cases anymore. Too many racists out there, on both sides, making presumptions simply based on the color of the individuals involved.

Or... about 100 people. Not even enough for some productive rioting and looting.
 
Might I remind you of these two men today?

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But anyway, nice to see that your usual response is to attack the poster rather than let your thoughts on the subject stand to be debated.

Did I attack you? I did point out that you're playing the victim. Which should be obvious to anybody who honestly reads your post.

So the existing power structure, all down the line is black? Police chiefs across the nation, all black now? Are you trying to play the, "Well the President is black, therefore it's all good now" card? Nice to see that you're following your usual response of pathetic excuses.
 
So now that it was a black cop killing a white man, all the Ferguson police apologists have decided police brutality/unaccountably is actually worth protesting. Funny how that happens...

I'm starting to think that race just shouldn't be provided in criminal cases anymore. Too many racists out there, on both sides, making presumptions simply based on the color of the individuals involved.

No, you don't understand. This makes what happened in Ferguson completely OK. Just like Mugabe makes the fact that there used to be Jim Crow laws perfectly acceptable.
 
Did I attack you? I did point out that you're playing the victim. Which should be obvious to anybody who honestly reads your post.

So the existing power structure, all down the line is black? Police chiefs across the nation, all black now? Are you trying to play the, "Well the President is black, therefore it's all good now" card? Nice to see that you're following your usual response of pathetic excuses.
Yes you did attack me personally, but not to worry, I have a thick skin. And I am not trying to play the victim anymore than the Brown defenders in the other threads do. I started out saying how predictable the responses to this thread would be by the very same people in those other threads calling for the head of the officer, yet in here so far, we get them making excuses for the black officer and attacking me for posting it.

Bravo, you're right on que rocket.
 
I fully understand why you're upset about the lack of reporting on the death of the White men and the clear racial attack of the elderly White woman. You hear all the media reports of young Black male teens being killed by cops or White people being harassed by Black teens or killed by Black cops and you wonder "where's the fairness and justice" being shown to Blacks when these same crimes are happening to Whites. Believe me, as a Black man, I understand your frustration here. But as I've said to other posters here who have identified themselves as White, the reason there doesn't seem to be much outrage over such stories is because historically Whites haven't been mistreated and oppressed in this country in the ways Black and other minorities have for as long as they have. Culturally speaking, the wounds are deeper when it's a Black person or a Black community that is perceived to have been unjustly treated and the media makes sure the nation sees the gaping wholes. Unfortunately, the absence of such storylines also prove to reflect a purposeful disparity in White people can also be mistreated.

None of this justifies the lack of reporting/lack of attention of such cruelty. But hopefully this sheds some light on why much of it never makes the national news. That leads me to why you won't see Pres. Obama speak out on such matters. IMHO, contrary to what many would like to believe, I don't think he purposefully selects what racial shooting he'll hold a press conference on. Remember: It's the national storyline that affects the entire country that brings him before the podium. I'm sure if the country became riveted by the brutal, senseless killing of a White kid by a Black cop or a Black gang, he'd speak out about that, too. But until such killings make the national headlines - CNN, FOX, NYTimes, Washington Times/Post, etc., etc., you likely won't hear him talk about it. Not defending him; just telling it like it is. You can blame the media for that, though. No the President.
To a large extent I agree with you here. With that said, tell me just how many generations removed is acceptable to shirk personal responsibility in these matters? 1?, 3?, 10?, never?

And believe me when I say that I am not addressing that to anyone particular, but everyone. As for Obama, I am sure you'd agree that the passing of Margaret Thatcher was an event that touched every corner of America as well, how many officials did he send there? Why didn't HE attend? He should have.

So it just sounds a little like excuse making to me.
 
That depends on how you define the word "racism." In the common, colloquial misusage, you are correct. In all technicality, what you are referring to is prejudice. Under the correct definition, one person cannot be "racist."

If you use the technical definition that requires things like power structure and usually government backing, it is basically impossible because black people are not the power structure.

As far as the race baiting goes, you can either get your own race baiting whites to go do that, or you can bitch and moan about Rev. Al. I know which you'll choose to do, because only one of them lets you be the victim.
That is one helluva pantload.
 
Thought you were the dude that wasn't going to be deciding what happened till investigations, hearings or trials were over. Suddenly you 'know' that Brown charged the cop and tried to take his weapon. Despite the fact that there's testimony to the contrary as well.
Testimony? You have reports under oath?
 
So, I watched, no breaking banners, no MSNBC endless calls for 'justice', Al Sharpton will not appear, and Obama schedules another round of Golf...

But what is so different about this case? Oh that's right, it's a white suspect, and the shooter was a black cop.

FWIW, I actually think that this case is worse than the Brown case. Taylor never charged the cops, and wasn't trying to get their weapons, or anything like that.

So, let us see just how fast in this thread the positions magically switch sides...This should be fun...

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Oh yeah, tell us all again how black people can not be racist....I'd LOVE to hear it again.

Why are you trying to make this about race? Your example is just another example of another bad cop....which is becoming increasingly prevalent.
 
To a large extent I agree with you here. With that said, tell me just how many generations removed is acceptable to shirk personal responsibility in these matters? 1?, 3?, 10?, never?

And believe me when I say that I am not addressing that to anyone particular, but everyone. As for Obama, I am sure you'd agree that the passing of Margaret Thatcher was an event that touched every corner of America as well, how many officials did he send there? Why didn't HE attend? He should have.

So it just sounds a little like excuse making to me.

You're reaching here, j-mac. The issue as outlined in the OP which you started has nothing to do with personal responsibility as a precursor to racial bias from the media. I've provided one explanation as to why the death of Black men at the hand of a White man/police tends to get national media attention over White men killed by Black men. So, unless you've got something more to add to the subject matter at-hand along the lines of why the media tends to show such biasness, I'd suspect you're commentary is nothing more than a purposeful attempt at trying to derail your own thread.

Not cool at all.
 
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"That is one helluva pantload."
If you can't deal with the definition of words, that sounds like your issue with English. Not my problem either way.
Don't you get tired of sitting in your own feces?
 
You're reaching here, j-mac. The issue as outlined in the OP which you started has nothing to do with personal responsibility as a precursor to racial bias from the media. I've provided one explanation as to why the death of Black men at the hand of a White man/police tends to get national media attention over White men killed by Black men. So, unless you've got something more to add to the subject matter at-hand along the lines of why the media tends to show such biasness, I'd suspect you're commentary is nothing more than a purposeful attempt at trying to derail your own thread.

Not cool at all.

Come on OV. You're making this about generational oppression, to which I would say that although there are more opportunities for black people in every aspect of society than ever before, there is still some out there that are racist, and probably always will be. But those are the exception to the rule today.

As to why the media hypes this so? I'd say that most in the MSM are dyed in the wool liberals, that are either displaying classic "white guilt", or they view themselves as as some kind of useful pawns to the race hustling grievance industry. Either way they are not being honest about it, especially when black on black crime is the predominantly overwhelming reason for black men dying today under circumstance of gun play.
 
Why are you trying to make this about race? Your example is just another example of another bad cop....which is becoming increasingly prevalent.

You're kidding right? (Seems I tend to say that alot to you Disney) This is every bit as much about race, as Brown/Wilson.
 
You're kidding right? (Seems I tend to say that alot to you Disney) This is every bit as much about race, as Brown/Wilson.


I don't see either of them about race. Both are examples of bad cops.
 
I don't see either of them about race. Both are examples of bad cops.


mmmmmmm-k....Unfortunately that is not why Sharpton is there, that is not why Jackson showed up too...Clearly the media also sees this as a race issue, that's why for nearly half a month we were treated to non stop coverage, with breathless reporters pushing the race of the cop, and the race of Brown....So, you'll excuse me if I don't buy it totally, but good for you if true.
 
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