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Two rallies, one racial divide over Ferguson shooting

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As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html


Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes, ears and minds open.




I predict that some people in the USA will learn nothing from the Ferguson tragedy and similar events because they have their eyes, ears and minds closed.
 
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As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html


Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes and ears open.

You are right... The black protestors are marching, looting and rioting because of a white cop shooting a black man who just robbed a store... A shooting that they couldn't care less if it was justified or not.

While the white protestors, from a bar that police officers frequent, are protesting in support of "An officer that has abided by the law has been tried and found guilty without the evidence," said Laura, 48, who carried a placard on the sidewalk in front of the bar that read, "It's not about black or white, it's about rule of law."

When you're right, you're right.
 
As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html

Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes and ears open.

There is certainly racism. But possibly the worst of it is in the heads of indigenous Black Americans. Forget about the President and the Secretaries of State et al. for a moment. A number of studies have found that Black does not mean you cannot succeed. There are a number to be found in a short google. Here is one short remainder Why the All-Ivy League Story Stirs Up Tensions Between African Immigrants and Black Americans - The Wire but the scientific literature abounds.

I am not trying to point fingers and am quite sure that there are real jerks out there. But we may as a society be more successful at reducing the racial/economic problems, if we understand, that a major aspect is the self fulfilling nature of the beast.
 
From what I saw, and granted that I didn't see much of the other protest... one is demanding "the head" of the cop, and the other is only demanding that the cop get his right to be considered innocent UNTIL proven guilty. I may be wrong, but that's the way I saw it.
 
Maybe if people would stop talking about it and stop going on and on and on and on and on about racism...it would eventually disappear.

The people to blame for racism are the people that refuse to stop looking at people as different 'races' just because of the melanin in their skin; and just looked upon everyone as people that happen to have darker/lighter complexion...it's just a physical characteristic, like height or weight or hair color.

Why can 'black' people not just be looked upon as dark skinned instead of attributing an entirely different 'race' to people with that physical characteristic?

We don't we call tall people a different race? Or blonde people? Or people with big noses?

Why skin color (melanin content)?


It's devisive and childish to do so, IMO.

Calling someone an entirely different 'race' strictly because they have more or less melanin in their skin is asinine in the extremis, IMO.
And I do not care if it is in the dictionary...it is still asinine to me.
 
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As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html


Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes, ears and minds open.




I predict that some people in the USA will learn nothing from the Ferguson tragedy and similar events because they have their eyes, ears and minds closed.

Those who are concerned about racial divisions learn absolutely nothing from what has been happening the past couple of weeks in Ferguson, Missouri. Unless, of course, you're interested in how to distort and gin up racial tension and strife for TV ratings and political gains.

As long as America has a cottage industry that survives solely on worsening the racial divide, you won't have progress and you won't learn a damn thing.
 
There is certainly racism. But possibly the worst of it is in the heads of indigenous Black Americans. Forget about the President and the Secretaries of State et al. for a moment. A number of studies have found that Black does not mean you cannot succeed. There are a number to be found in a short google. Here is one short remainder Why the All-Ivy League Story Stirs Up Tensions Between African Immigrants and Black Americans - The Wire but the scientific literature abounds. I am not trying to point fingers and am quite sure that there are real jerks out there. But we may as a society be more successful at reducing the racial/economic problems, if we understand, that a major aspect is the self fulfilling nature of the beast.
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Anecdotal - Your link was excellent. For nine years I've been working for a black man who emigrated here from Nigeria to set up his own company. His company is now very profitable. He was already college educated and can speak three other languages (aside from English). If his prejudice against American blacks was bad when he first came here, it has gotten worse. He has little or no use for most African Americans and (in his own words) their "you owe me" or "gimme" attitude. He refuses to do business with government entities least he gets confined to their terms and conditions, such as Affirmative Action. He wants to hire the best without being hindered by excessive regulations.

There is an unseen conflict between the new Africans who are moving to the US and the blacks who have lived here for generations. These are diametric clashes of beliefs, values and attitude. I have seen this happen more than a few times.

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Those who are concerned about racial divisions learn absolutely nothing from what has been happening the past couple of weeks in Ferguson, Missouri. Unless, of course, you're interested in how to distort and gin up racial tension and strife for TV ratings and political gains.

As long as America has a cottage industry that survives solely on worsening the racial divide, you won't have progress and you won't learn a damn thing.

Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Is it possible for people to wake up one morning, look around them, see that things aren't improving, and wonder why - or is that too difficult to face? Could it be that it's easier to listen to those who benefit from discord, and choose to believe them, thereby absolving themselves of any blame for their circumstances? I wonder.... :confused:
 
Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Is it possible for people to wake up one morning, look around them, see that things aren't improving, and wonder why - or is that too difficult to face? Could it be that it's easier to listen to those who benefit from discord, and choose to believe them, thereby absolving themselves of any blame for their circumstances? I wonder.... :confused:

Good morning Polgara :2wave:

Your wonder is a reasonable one. I have wondered for a very long time how much longer those who only serve to spread discord will be listened to. It has certainly gone on longer than I thought it would. This story playing out in Ferguson has be told so many times, each development has probably been predicted by many.

Now we have a situation where the baiters have ginned up the issue so that the cop had better be convicted, or else. And sadly, it's once again the politics behind the effort that makes these stories so appauling. It seems to me it's about getting the community to takes its eyes off the broken promises and manipulation so they can be directed to vote for the right political party in November.

This broken record replay will hopefully be stopped some day.
 
As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html


Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes, ears and minds open.




I predict that some people in the USA will learn nothing from the Ferguson tragedy and similar events because they have their eyes, ears and minds closed.

This is much like the Martin/Zimmerman "racial profiling and assisination" case - short on facts and long on preconceived ideas of what "must have occurred". It seems that nothing was learned about the need for waiting for the (too?) slow process of our judicial system to play out. One protest is based on the presumption of guilt of the officer and the other on the presumption of his innocence - which side you are on should not be based on race.
 
There are racial problems in America and some conclusion could be drawn from Ferguson. I'm not sure that the conclusions would be ones that affect white, black relations however. The conclusions deal with a rush to judgement and the black community only seeing one side of the situation without knowledge of the facts surrounding what happened.

When I heard a young unarmed black man was shot by police, I felt sad. When I heard he was shot in the back I felt angry. When I heard that he wasn't shot in the back I was confused. When I heard he had just strong arm robbed a convenience store I felt the shooting may have been justified. When I heard he broke the eye socket of the policeman who shot him I was glad he got shot.

Bottom line, everyone should wait until all the facts come to light before running down to the nearest liquor store, breaking the windows and stealing vodka.
 
What do the Darren Wilson protesters have to be angry about? Wilson is alive.

...and if Wilson is prosecuted they will go one with their lives secure in the fact that the Ferguson PD will never shoot them down in the streets.
 
You are right... The black protestors are marching, looting and rioting because of a white cop shooting a black man who just robbed a store... A shooting that they couldn't care less if it was justified or not.

While the white protestors, from a bar that police officers frequent, are protesting in support of "An officer that has abided by the law has been tried and found guilty without the evidence," said Laura, 48, who carried a placard on the sidewalk in front of the bar that read, "It's not about black or white, it's about rule of law."

When you're right, you're right.




But, OTOH: When you're wrong, you're wrong, eh?

Me, I'm going to wait and see how any trials turn out in this case.
 
What do the Darren Wilson protesters have to be angry about? Wilson is alive.

...and if Wilson is prosecuted they will go one with their lives secure in the fact that the Ferguson PD will never shoot them down in the streets.
I disagree, I dont care where in this country you reside, if you assault a police officer smashing his face in, try to steal his gun then bull rush him when he calls on you to "freeze" (assuming this is the correct story) then you are likely to get shot not just by a Ferguson officer but by any officer anywhere. I cant imagine someone allowing Brown to beat them a second time considering what already happened.

To be honest I dont see where this particular incident recieves so much attention. What about the Jewish guy in Miami killed by 2 blacks for being a Jew? .....or even the NY city incident where the poor black guy was strangled by a cop when he was clearly pleading with them that he couldnt breathe? These are both worse then this incident which is looking more & more like justified self defense.
 
From what I saw, and granted that I didn't see much of the other protest... one is demanding "the head" of the cop, and
the other is only demanding that the cop get his right to be considered innocent UNTIL proven guilty
. I may be wrong, but that's the way I saw it.




I totally support the idea of innocent until proven guilty at trial for everyone, Black or White, in the USA.

Unfortunately Michael Brown didn't get a trial, he got 6 bullets and he's going under the ground.
 
What do the Darren Wilson protesters have to be angry about? Wilson is alive.

...and if Wilson is prosecuted they will go one with their lives secure in the fact that the Ferguson PD will never shoot them down in the streets.

Well many think it is shameful that so many use Wilson's action as an excuse to riot and loot before any facts are known. They also resent that he is accused of racism without any evidence as many others are.

Then of course there is the possibility that he may be prosecuted unjustly and wrongfully convicted which puts everyone in danger.

Yeah what do they have to be concerned about?
 
This is much like the Martin/Zimmerman "racial profiling and assisination" case - short on facts and long on preconceived ideas of what "must have occurred".
It seems that nothing was learned about the need for waiting for the (too?) slow process of our judicial system to play out.
One protest is based on the presumption of guilt of the officer and the other on the presumption of his innocence - which side you are on should not be based on race.




Maybe we could speed up our system of justice by doing away with the whole court system and going with a simple coin toss- A heads you win, tails you lose kind of thing.

That would speed things up a lot and no one can accuse a coin of being prejudiced, eh?
 
Unfortunately Michael Brown didn't get a trial, he got 6 bullets and he's going under the ground.

Which may or may not have been justified depending on Brown's actions or Wilson's. If the evidence supports that Wilson did not follow the Ferguson PD's use of force policies, than Wilson should be held accountable and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If the evidence exonerates him, he should be free to go about his life.

The counter protest's message, if that truly is it, is spot on. We're guilty until proven innocent. Frankly, if i were the counter protests organizers, I wouldn't have dubbed it "Support Officer Wilson" rally but a "Support the Rule of Law" rally. The media, the race merchants (Sharpton, Jackson, Holder), and some in the community of Ferguson have already convicted Wilson.
 
As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html


Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes, ears and minds open.




I predict that some people in the USA will learn nothing from the Ferguson tragedy and similar events because they have their eyes, ears and minds closed.

The racial divide has been created by the race hustlers.
 
I totally support the idea of innocent until proven guilty at trial for everyone, Black or White, in the USA.

Unfortunately Michael Brown didn't get a trial, he got 6 bullets and he's going under the ground.

Brown tried and convicted himself when he decided to assault a police officer.
 
What do the Darren Wilson protesters have to be angry about? Wilson is alive.

...and if Wilson is prosecuted they will go one with their lives secure in the fact that the Ferguson PD will never shoot them down in the streets.

How many black people has Wilson shot in his 6 years with the Ferguson PD?
 
There are racial problems in America and some conclusion could be drawn from Ferguson. I'm not sure that the conclusions would be ones that affect white, black relations however. The conclusions deal with a rush to judgement and the black community only seeing one side of the situation without knowledge of the facts surrounding what happened.

When I heard a young unarmed black man was shot by police, I felt sad. When I heard he was shot in the back I felt angry. When I heard that he wasn't shot in the back I was confused. When I heard he had just strong arm robbed a convenience store I felt the shooting may have been justified. When I heard he broke the eye socket of the policeman who shot him I was glad he got shot.

Bottom line, everyone should wait until all the facts come to light before running down to the nearest liquor store, breaking the windows and stealing vodka.

The race hustlers don't care about the facts.
 
Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Is it possible for people to wake up one morning, look around them, see that things aren't improving, and wonder why - or is that too difficult to face? Could it be that it's easier to listen to those who benefit from discord, and choose to believe them, thereby absolving themselves of any blame for their circumstances? I wonder.... :confused:

Good morning Lady P - hope all is well

You just have to hang around DP for any length of time and watch liberals frequently resort to accusing opponents of racism whenever they are losing an argument to know that upwards of a third of the American population view racial division as a political tool. As such, until and unless liberal leadership decides to wake up as you suggest, racial division will continue to be used to club and shout down opposition to liberal social goals.
 
From the linked story:
"We are here to support you, officer Wilson, and we've got your back," said St. Louis resident Mark Rodebaugh whose wife's family owns the bar. "He has been vilified in the news but his story is coming out."

Early in the day Sandra Fifer, an African American woman, drove up and disrupted the gathering. Walking among Wilson supporters, Fifer, who came alone, shouted "Why are the police not shooting on you?"

To the bolded:
The reason the cops were not "shooting on" them is because they weren't doing anything illegal, nor causing any trouble. THAT perception is the one that is causing a major part of the problem. The perception that cops are shooting at blacks because they are black. That is a lack of reasonable thinking. If a 300 pound white guy comes at a cop with a threatening manner, and the cop thinks he is in mortal danger, he's going to shoot the big white guy too. If a big white guy breaks into my house with intent to harm, I'm going to shoot him. I don't care what color he is. If he's doing something illegal and I have a reasonable cause to suspect he will cause me harm, he's going down. Period. NO matter what color you are, if you aren't doing anything illegal, and you aren't threatening to others, you aren't likely to get shot. I can't believe how many people fail to see this.
 
Brown tried and convicted himself when he decided to assault a police officer.




That's your opinion, which you are entitled to and the courts won't know about at any trials that take place.

IOW: You're wasting your breath.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
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