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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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Oh, good. You weighed the evidence. You have access to all that? Plus the future GJ testimony? You should let them know that they shouldn't waste their time with a full investigation, you've already found the cop guilty. Good thing you're not prejudging anything.

The situation of an un-armed suspect, the timing, the open space, the distance and the need were all perfect for the use of a Taser.
If Wilson didn't have murder in his heart, why did he use lethal force?

He sought to end this kids life because he was in an uncontrollable violent and vengeful rage.
 
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The situation of an un-armed suspect, the timing, the open space, the distance and the need were all perfect for the use of a Taser.
If Wilson didn't have murder in his heart, why did he use lethal force?

He sought to end this kids life because he was in an uncontrollable violent and vengeful rage.

Just plain foolishness.
 
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Just plain foolishness.
That's not an answer.
Why didn't Wilson Taser Brown?
He had the time and the space and the need .
Why didn't he Taser him?
 
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The protesters showed up peaceful, the cops showed up for a fight. Exactly how both the retired police chiefs of Seattle and Minneapolis explained it.

The police instigated the looting?

M'k
 
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As I said. Two retired police chiefs disagree with you.

Believe me, ours is still in CYA mode.
 
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The situation of an un-armed suspect, the timing, the open space, the distance and the need were all perfect for the use of a Taser.
If Wilson didn't have murder in his heart, why did he use lethal force?
Brown had already established himself as a lethal threat when he went for the Officer's gun.
You already know that.

He sought to end this kids life because he was in an uncontrollable violent and vengeful rage.
Ridiculous.
 
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I dont give a **** if he wrote the book on law enforcement. If HIS position is as YOU state it and that he has ignored the reality that the police didnt engage the protesters/rioters with teargas and rubber bullets until after the third day of rioting he is a liar. Or you are intentionally misrepresenting his position. Regardless...the video VERY CLEARLY shows the protesters protesting in front of a burned down QT market. Day 4.

He's a politician now, if that provides anymore insight :cool:
 
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Anyone that has already decided that the cop is guilty doesn't want justice.

Neither has anyone that has decided he's innocent.

Just sayin'
 
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The situation of an un-armed suspect, the timing, the open space, the distance and the need were all perfect for the use of a Taser.
If Wilson didn't have murder in his heart, why did he use lethal force?

He sought to end this kids life because he was in an uncontrollable violent and vengeful rage.

You dont know all the details of distance, threat, movement, etc. I'm still waiting for that information to be released. Maybe I'll have to wait for a trial?

But you certainly do not know the bold. No one does at this time except Wilson himself.
 
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That's not an answer.
Why didn't Wilson Taser Brown?
He had the time and the space and the need .
Why didn't he Taser him?

What if....since there have been allegations that Brown went for Wilson's gun...Wilson already had his gun in his hand if/when Brown presented a threat?

There...perfectly acceptable speculation. You have absolutely no idea how much time and space he had. I have yet to see info on how far Wilson was from Brown when he was shot and I find this to be critical information.

Have you seen it? Maybe I missed it?
 
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That's not an answer.
Why didn't Wilson Taser Brown?
He had the time and the space and the need .
Why didn't he Taser him?

You would need more information than we have now to know that. The kid went for the gun, I don't know how he could taser him and fight for the gun at the same time.
 
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With all the rampaging, destruction and looting by the blacks, how many pairs of work boots were stolen?
 
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The situation of an un-armed suspect, the timing, the open space, the distance and the need were all perfect for the use of a Taser.
If Wilson didn't have murder in his heart, why did he use lethal force?

He sought to end this kids life because he was in an uncontrollable violent and vengeful rage.

All right, I've had about enough of your nonsense...Time for you to back up the ridiculous things you've been saying in here, and the other threads.

Here you mention 'timing'.... What are you talking about? Is there some significance to the day, time of day, month, etc...?

You talk of the "open space", and "distance" as if 35 feet is enough to warrant hesitation from an officer whom may, or may not have been just accosted by the suspect seconds earlier, and possibly injured, and had his weapon attempted to have been taken from him. And you and others speak of this as though he had a 'taser' available to him. Do you know for a fact that ALL police officers in Ferguson are issued tasers? Or that this officer, Wilson had one? Not to mention that if the reports are true, that Brown broke Wilson's eye socket was broken in the attack, and his weapon was gone for, then I'd be pretty confident in saying that at that point tasing a dangerous felon like Brown was out of the question. The training in that situation I would think is to bring the suspect into custody, and to treat him as a deadly threat to the officers life. Especially if the officer is being charged at a second time by the suspect.

As for your absolutely absurd contention that Wilson is some violent, out of control cop, bent on murder, and not in control of his rage at being attacked. That is based on what exactly? All reports about this officer are of a completely measured man in total control of not only his emotions, but a professional on the job...

Darren Wilson, a 28-year-old white officer, has patrolled suburban St. Louis for six years and had no previous complaints filed against him, Jackson said.

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The police chief described Wilson as "a gentle, quiet man" who had been "an excellent officer." He has been on the Ferguson force for four years and served prior to that in the neighboring community of Jennings.

Wilson, who was placed on administrative leave after the Aug. 9 shooting, "never intended for any of this to happen," Jackson said.

Darren Wilson identified as Ferguson police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown - Newsday

So how do you square these reports with the laughable rhetoric you are posting?
 
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The situation of an un-armed suspect, the timing, the open space, the distance and the need were all perfect for the use of a Taser.
If Wilson didn't have murder in his heart, why did he use lethal force?

He sought to end this kids life because he was in an uncontrollable violent and vengeful rage.

Of course you can back up that bolded part.
 
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Of course you can back up that bolded part.

No, he can't...Nothing points to this particular police officer as being anything buy a well measured, controlled, and solid cop...One of the many good ones...Not even one complaint in 4 years in that force.
 
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Ok,

Let try to reconstruct in a general sense what happened while giving Officer Wilson the most favorable spin possible:

The encounter

- Brown and his friend are sauntering down the middle of the street. Brown is pumped up and juiced up after having pulled off a strong arm robbery
-Wilson, unaware of the strong arm robbery, gives Brown a legitimate order to get out of the middle of the street
-Brown refuses to comply, Wilson returns to Brown

The Attack
-Brown then suddenly attacks Wilson in his car. He quickly overcomes any resistance from Wilson, reaches over Wilson and tries to get his pistol on his right side.
-Wilson, in fear for his life, fires a shot at Brown.

The Attack part II
-Brown retreats a good distance. Then, he reverses course, and suddenly charges Wilson.
- Wilson is unable to call for back up,a nd there is no time to yell a warning at Brown.
-In fear for his life, Wilson resumes firing at Brown.
-Brown ignores several bullet impacts fired from a large calibre service weapon, lowers his head and keeps charging Wilson until he is dropped.

Given that Brown was not high on PCP, how likely is this?
 
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No, he can't...Nothing points to this particular police officer as being anything buy a well measured, controlled, and solid cop...One of the many good ones...Not even one complaint in 4 years in that force.

Nothing in Wilson's professional life and nothing in his personal life gives any credence to Buck's accusation.
 
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Ok,

Let try to reconstruct in a general sense what happened while giving Officer Wilson the most favorable spin possible:

The encounter

- Brown and his friend are sauntering down the middle of the street. Brown is pumped up and juiced up after having pulled off a strong arm robbery
-Wilson, unaware of the strong arm robbery, gives Brown a legitimate order to get out of the middle of the street
-Brown refuses to comply, Wilson returns to Brown

The Attack
-Brown then suddenly attacks Wilson in his car. He quickly overcomes any resistance from Wilson, reaches over Wilson and tries to get his pistol on his right side.
-Wilson, in fear for his life, fires a shot at Brown.

The Attack part II
-Brown retreats a good distance. Then, he reverses course, and suddenly charges Wilson.
- Wilson is unable to call for back up,a nd there is no time to yell a warning at Brown.
-In fear for his life, Wilson resumes firing at Brown.
-Brown ignores several bullet impacts fired from a large calibre service weapon, lowers his head and keeps charging Wilson until he is dropped.

Given that Brown was not high on PCP, how likely is this?

-Large caliber being a 9mm? Do we even know the caliber at this point?

But it doesn't matter.

-If you shoot a suspect you shoot them until they are on the ground. You don't stop shooting and then resume.

-it is more than possible to shrug off a few bullet wounds if one is sufficiently amped up on adrenaline. There are several documented cases of people being shot and unaware until seeing the actual wound.
 
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-Large caliber being a 9mm? Do we even know the caliber at this point?

No, it was most likely a .40 Calibre weapon loaded with hollow point ammunition (most police departments no longer use 9mm)
-If you shoot a suspect you shoot them until they are on the ground. You don't stop shooting and then resume.

Yet, that is evidently exaclty what Wilson did. Wilson fired one round in the car, very close range, and then fired several more when Brown was considerably further away.

A police officer is trained to shoot until the target is no longer a deadly threat. This can mean "on the ground"- espescially when applied to an armed threat. Or, in the case of an unarmed man, it could mean (depending on a variety of circumstances) that they are no longer approaching the officer.
 
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No, it was most likely a .40 Calibre weapon loaded with hollow point ammunition (most police departments no longer use 9mm)


Yet, that is evidently exaclty what Wilson did. Wilson fired one round in the car, very close range, and then fired several more when Brown was considerably further away.

A police officer is trained to shoot until the target is no longer a deadly threat. This can mean "on the ground"- espescially when applied to an armed threat. Or, in the case of an unarmed man, it could mean (depending on a variety of circumstances) that they are no longer approaching the officer.

Agreed. And further, much is being made of the "grazing" wound on Brown's arm. That the determination by Brown supporters is that this concludes that he was fired at while running away. See, I don't buy that. I think that came from the discharge of the weapon in the car during the fight for the gun.
 
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No, he can't...Nothing points to this particular police officer as being anything buy a well measured, controlled, and solid cop...One of the many good ones...Not even one complaint in 4 years in that force.

Yes, that is true. And other evidence (strong arm robbery, rap lyrics suggesting sexual dominance) indicate that Brown may not be the "gentle giant" of legend and lore.

Even still, given the totality of circumstances, I would want some additional evidence, other than the officers word alone, that this shooting was truly necessarry.

So far, the officer has injuries to his face in addition to his word. This does not truly show that the shooting was necessarry though.
 
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Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

What if....since there have been allegations that Brown went for Wilson's gun...Wilson already had his gun in his hand if/when Brown presented a threat?

There...perfectly acceptable speculation. You have absolutely no idea how much time and space he had. I have yet to see info on how far Wilson was from Brown when he was shot and I find this to be critical information.

Have you seen it? Maybe I missed it?
Brown was 35 feet from the cruiser when he dropped and supposedly he had been charging back when the gunfire started according to the cops.
For a 300 pound guy to run 40 or so feet it had to take at least 30 seconds...
Plenty of time for Wilson to holster his piece and draw his Taser ... the appropriate weapon to stop an un-armed man running down a busy street at noon.
 
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Yes, that is true. And other evidence (strong arm robbery, rap lyrics suggesting sexual dominance) indicates that Brown may not be the "gentle giant" of legend and lore.

Even still, given the totality of circumstances, I would probably want some evidence, other than the officers word alone, that this shooting was necessarry.

All of which we are NOT going to get until after a GJ renders their decision. Until then all we have are buffoonish theories, based on layered anonymous sourcing that in the end are completely made up by news outlets looking to have the next flash banner 'breaking news' speculation.
 
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You would need more information than we have now to know that. The kid went for the gun, I don't know how he could taser him and fight for the gun at the same time.
Brown was 35 feet away from the cruiser when he dropped face down ... that much we do know. Wilson never lost control of his weapon. He could have easily had the time to draw his Taser while the kids ran that far away.
 
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Brown was 35 feet away from the cruiser when he dropped face down ... that much we do know. Wilson never lost control of his weapon. He could have easily had the time to draw his Taser while the kids ran that far away.

Show me that Wilson even had a taser.
 
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