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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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I can't figure out what this has to do with Wilson.

When I was in the Army we had guys that talked smack like that all the time. I told the people in my platoon to stay away from them. They freeze up or become bullet magnets or both. They usually freeze up. That is the last guy I wanted me or my folks to be around. The stupid meter goes off the chart.
It exemplifies the probable mindset between the police and the people in and around the Ferguson area. If one guy is bold enough to talk like this, it's fairly likely that many others he works with think like him but don't necessarily express it.
That kind of attitude can be like a metastasizing cancer within a force.
 
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Well said Fearandloathing.
There is nothing that the Ferguson police have done that puts an iota of confidence in their ability to perform their jobs in an honest and competent manner.
It's almost as though they have given up on any appearance of propriety and wish only to be seen stonewalling and strong-arming any attempt to find the truth.
The "blue line" has been drawn tightly around their desire to protect one of their own.



There is a perfect case that illustrates your point. They have indeed given up on propriety and are now merely stonewalling.

Some years ago, Canada's iconic Royal Canadian Mounted Police attacked and killed a man with a Taser within 23 seconds encountering him. There had been reports of a 'disturbed man' acting weird.
The first police reports used words like "wild man" and "berserk". They claimed he resisted and engaged in a prolonged struggle with police, four of them against one. Later, they released information that the man was an alcoholic and had a criminal past in Poland, where he had come from.
They claims were blown away by a private video the RCMP had tried to suppress, when released it revealed their story to be myth, a complete fabrication. A Royal Commission of inquiry was called [it reports to no one and once charged cannot be stopped by any outside force]. Between the time of the incident, and the revelation at the inquiry, the RCMP maintained their version of events. When questioned about it by the presiding justice, an RCMP spokesman simpoly said "it was not sworn evidence." In other words its OK to outright lie and to maintain that lie so long as it is not sworn evidence which would lead to charges of obstruction of justice.

Robert Dzieka

Think it through. They have taken their position, have doctored the official record, what happens now? The ACLU will go on suing to get information and eventually run out of money. The media will move on since this story is getting way to detailed and complicated, and the visuals are all old.
The cop who shot the kid gets some leave, a shrink for a year and all is at it was....
 
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There is a perfect case that illustrates your point. They have indeed given up on propriety and are now merely stonewalling.

Some years ago, Canada's iconic Royal Canadian Mounted Police attacked and killed a man with a Taser within 23 seconds encountering him. There had been reports of a 'disturbed man' acting weird.
The first police reports used words like "wild man" and "berserk". They claimed he resisted and engaged in a prolonged struggle with police, four of them against one. Later, they released information that the man was an alcoholic and had a criminal past in Poland, where he had come from.
They claims were blown away by a private video the RCMP had tried to suppress, when released it revealed their story to be myth, a complete fabrication. A Royal Commission of inquiry was called [it reports to no one and once charged cannot be stopped by any outside force]. Between the time of the incident, and the revelation at the inquiry, the RCMP maintained their version of events. When questioned about it by the presiding justice, an RCMP spokesman simpoly said "it was not sworn evidence." In other words its OK to outright lie and to maintain that lie so long as it is not sworn evidence which would lead to charges of obstruction of justice.

Robert Dzieka

Think it through. They have taken their position, have doctored the official record, what happens now? The ACLU will go on suing to get information and eventually run out of money. The media will move on since this story is getting way to detailed and complicated, and the visuals are all old.
The cop who shot the kid gets some leave, a shrink for a year and all is at it was....
That would be a bad outcome and I hope it is not allowed to come to that end.
I have confidence however that with the federal Attorney General and the FBI looking into every aspect of the case that any cover-up or suppression of evidence will not be tolerated .
 
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"He tried to get my gun". A defense for killing an unarmed man used so much by police historically that it has become cliche. It was even briefly used by Zimmerman in the Martin homicide case.
Wilson is right handed and would have his piece in a holster secured on his right hip away from the drivers side window of the SUV.
All eye-witness reports are that Brown was trying to push himself away from the SUV as Wilson held him by the shirt... not diving in as he would need to do to grab Wilson's weapon.
I don't buy it for a second.

Oh! Now, Brown was trying to get away while Wilson held him by the shirt...from inside a vehicle? Um...:lamo
 
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You won't look at anything? So you want someone else to do all the work for you so you can sit back and just shoot everything down without having to make any effort to try and find out the truth.

No...I'm asking that the folks who made factual claims BACK THOSE CLAIMS UP WITH EVIDENCE. You are aware that that's how the whole debate thing works, right?
 
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Your laziness is not very becoming... the form lacked anything that would describe the events beyond time and date and who was dispatched where and when. They obviously did not want to commit to any items that could be disputed or found incriminating. A cover-up of omissions.
See it here;

http://www.wgal.com/blob/view/-/2750...report-pdf.pdf

Oh yeah! Your source says it all! :lamo

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Oh! Now, Brown was trying to get away while Wilson held him by the shirt...from inside a vehicle? Um...:lamo


Source?

Is that in the Ferguson Police Department heavily redacted account, a CNN or Fox news story or are you making it up?

Please, when someone says definitively this or that in these circumstances it's pure hearsay, about as reliable as mist. You cannot KNOW from your vantage point anything that happened, you have only other people's accounts, filtered by the media. So, please, save the ridicule of those who are questioning the police account in light of the fact it is proven to be highly questionable.

With the evidence in front of us at this point, it is reasonable and proper to severely challenge the police account, to continue to repeat false evidence is not going to resolve anything.
 
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It speaks to his state of mind when his first words in the encounter contains an F bomb.

Ooooh! He said a wordy dird! Big crime there!
 
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Source?

Is that in the Ferguson Police Department heavily redacted account, a CNN or Fox news story or are you making it up?

Please, when someone says definitively this or that in these circumstances it's pure hearsay, about as reliable as mist. You cannot KNOW from your vantage point anything that happened, you have only other people's accounts, filtered by the media. So, please, save the ridicule of those who are questioning the police account in light of the fact it is proven to be highly questionable.

With the evidence in front of us at this point, it is reasonable and proper to severely challenge the police account, to continue to repeat false evidence is not going to resolve anything.

Said evidence--witness statements--has been debunked. Look, it's time to start actually paying attention.
 
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A police report on the death of Michael Brown is missing key information and violates Missouri open records laws, an ACLU attorney told Yahoo news on Friday.

Read the article here: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael Brown's death violates law


Eventually all of the facts will come out because the ACLU will insist on that.

But the question right now is: what are the Ferguson police trying to hide?

Weak.
 
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Ooooh! He said a wordy dird! Big crime there!
Perhaps not criminal ...However the discipline and possible termination he is undergoing indicates that he did break at least several department rules.
 
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Typical response of one not supporting their argument. We know that is what they are doing.
So thanks for the video.
I hoped you might like it on a number of levels. Happy you did!
 
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Perhaps not criminal ...However the discipline and possible termination he is undergoing indicates that he did break at least several department rules.

That's a long ass way from committing murder!
 
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Ok, C/P the parts of the report that are suspect and explain why! It's not that hard, bro!!

The parts that are MISSING like most of it...bro
 
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Ok...what information is missing and how does the missing information prove a cover-up? Call me crazy, but I'm not sold just because and ACLU lawyer says so.

Really?

That's logic?

How can anyone know what information is missing when it is deliberately hidden? Since when is the onus on the public to dig for what the law of Missouri says should be available without restriction? In what kind of Nazi-Orwellian society is there a responsibility to prove a negative?

Now for "proof" of cover up, there is none, only a deep suspicion underscored by a deliberate attempt to obscure justice by redacting - that's crossing **** out - primary information? A deep and profound and LEGITIMATE suspicion based on an attempt to hide it, as in "cover up".

How is it NOT a cover up, when indeed, the police department, faced with a full scale war in its streets, has denied access to crucial information which by law should be available for the asking.


Once again, to the cops-are-gods-with-guns crowd I ask this? Other than a deliberate attempt to obstruct justice, what other reason could there be for the police to hide evidence amid the chaos of having lost control of their own city? With tanks, snipers, RPG's and war materiel on the streets, the chance of widespread death and destruction imminent every night, why would the cops hide information if it cleared them of wrongdoing?

Finally, if you are so sure of the facts of this case, positive beyond any doubt the police are squeaky clean, please tell us what happened in the missing 43 minutes?
 
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That's a long ass way from committing murder!
Not really ... within seconds he was pulling the trigger on an un-armed teen.
 
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I'm not looking at anything. YOU tell me what's wrong with the report and explain how that proves a cover-up.



Please explain how you can be such an expert when you won't even read the OP?

Perhaps its time to stop trolling eh?
 
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It is ridiculous to assume anything is being hidden.
"Nothing" is a possible result to that question.

Wait and see, I say.
 
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Perhaps not criminal ...However the discipline and possible termination he is undergoing indicates that he did break at least several department rules.

He's on paid administrative leave. Pretty standard when a police officer is involved in a shooting thats being investigative. Its neither punitive, disciplinary or indicative that he broke any law or rule. Again, relatively standard practice throughout the law enforcement community.
 
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Really?

That's logic?

How can anyone know what information is missing when it is deliberately hidden? Since when is the onus on the public to dig for what the law of Missouri says should be available without restriction? In what kind of Nazi-Orwellian society is there a responsibility to prove a negative?

Now for "proof" of cover up, there is none, only a deep suspicion underscored by a deliberate attempt to obscure justice by redacting - that's crossing **** out - primary information? A deep and profound and LEGITIMATE suspicion based on an attempt to hide it, as in "cover up".

How is it NOT a cover up, when indeed, the police department, faced with a full scale war in its streets, has denied access to crucial information which by law should be available for the asking.


Once again, to the cops-are-gods-with-guns crowd I ask this? Other than a deliberate attempt to obstruct justice, what other reason could there be for the police to hide evidence amid the chaos of having lost control of their own city? With tanks, snipers, RPG's and war materiel on the streets, the chance of widespread death and destruction imminent every night, why would the cops hide information if it cleared them of wrongdoing?

Finally, if you are so sure of the facts of this case, positive beyond any doubt the police are squeaky clean, please tell us what happened in the missing 43 minutes?

If it's hidden, and you know what that information is, then you need to be on the horn with someone, telling them what you know!!!
 
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