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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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Buck Ewer said:
OK ... What are Johnson's own best interests? It's understandable that he may not want to incriminate himself but he hasn't been charged with ANYTHING. He's not trying to protect his friend ...he just watched being killed in front of him a few feet away...
What would Johnson's motivation be to make up stories after the fact?
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Yeah, they pinched him for stealing mail and lying about his identity. Stealing mail is a little felony.
 
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AJiveMan said:
When the Rifleman comes on @ 5:00 p.m., the intro? I can't even begin to count the shots, but judging by the rifle, I'd have to say it doesn't hold nearly as many as it depicts.

How does a person who just got socked in the eye, with the damage they said he sustained, aim and fire that many rounds. He must be superpig or something.
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Considering that his shots were all off target until Brown started to drop down (from autopsy), he didnt do that great a job. But pulling the trigger fast isnt that hard under stress, even with heavier double-action triggers (another general police standard).
 
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Buck Ewer said:
No but it is what was described by at least one eye witness. Why would they make that up?
To what end?
What is the tactical advantage of shouting the F bomb at Jay walkers?
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The witness *knew* the cop used the door that way intentionally? :lamo

Still flailing.
 
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Lursa said:
No, you do not know that. You do not know a single one of those things.:doh
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You are correct ...I don't "know" those things ... But I do know they were reported by an eye witness that has no reason to lie about them. I know I believe him.
 
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Montecresto said:
Yeah, I heard the video on the radio, he was a guest speaker at oath keepers. What sucks is that he's been relieved of duty, and will undergo psychiatric treatment. He should be fired, and in the end may be.
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Ah....another 'good Christian.'

sad
 
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Buck Ewer said:
You are correct ...I don't "know" those things ... But I do know they were reported by an eye witness that has no reason to lie about them. I know I believe him.
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You dont even "know" that.:roll:
 
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I cannot see any reason the cops would put to the press the kids priors. They have nothing to do with the shooting. The kids priors may matter in a court case in defining a behavior pattern but just to release it publicly to the press? People are looking for answers to this incident and volunteering a smear looks bad on the ferg PD in that it looks like a desperate diversion. There is no other credible reason to put those out there from their vantage.
 
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Lursa said:
The witness *knew* the cop used the door that way intentionally? :lamo

Still flailing.
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No. Flailing would be trying to discredit an eye-witness who recounted his experiences almost immediately after watching his friend get shot down before his eyes ...because you don't like what he said...
That would be "flailing"
 
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apdst said:
What's missing from the report?
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It's in the OP article....altho the article isnt verified either.
 
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Fletch said:
Being the DNA expert that you are, I am sure you are well aware of the fact that criminality and violence is in the DNA of the black. Liberals understand this better than anyone. That's why liberals don't condemn black thievery and mob violence--they know blacks just cant help themselves.
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Well if this is a serious post it's the most racist post on this topic yet. Maybe one of the most racist posts I've ever read.
 
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AJiveMan said:
When the Rifleman comes on @ 5:00 p.m., the intro? I can't even begin to count the shots, but judging by the rifle, I'd have to say it doesn't hold nearly as many as it depicts.

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BTW you made my point. If you cant count accurately sitting in front of your TV, do you expect people in the vicinity of the REAL shots are capable of doing so?
 
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poweRob said:
I cannot see any reason the cops would put to the press the kids priors. They have nothing to do with the shooting. The kids priors may matter in a court case in defining a behavior pattern but just to release it publicly to the press? People are looking for answers to this incident and volunteering a smear looks bad on the ferg PD in that it looks like a desperate diversion. There is no other credible reason to put those out there from their vantage.
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Johnson's "priors" are that he gave a false first name to a cop when he was arrested for stealing a package from an apartment complex. He gave the name Derrick Johnson instead of Dorian Johnson. When confronted he fessed up to taking the box.
That's it... That's all his record shows... Obviously a "dangerous thug" with no credibility right?
And what about Brown? His record is absolutely clean. No priors no felonies no misdemeanors ...nothing.
Some pair of "thugs" huh?
 
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Lursa said:
Considering that his shots were all off target until Brown started to drop down (from autopsy), he didnt do that great a job. But pulling the trigger fast isnt that hard under stress, even with heavier double-action triggers (another general police standard).
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All off target? What was he shooting at then? a cigar box? edit
some reached the target, obviously, one teenager is dead.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
No. Flailing would be trying to discredit an eye-witness who recounted his experiences almost immediately after watching his friend get shot down before his eyes ...because you don't like what he said...
That would be "flailing"
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I didnt discredit anyone. I said both sides have it in their best interests to lie and that we need to have it all examined and corroborated.

I'm not here declaring "I know!" left and right.
 
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poweRob said:
I cannot see any reason the cops would put to the press the kids priors. They have nothing to do with the shooting. The kids priors may matter in a court case in defining a behavior pattern but just to release it publicly to the press? People are looking for answers to this incident and volunteering a smear looks bad on the ferg PD in that it looks like a desperate diversion. There is no other credible reason to put those out there from their vantage.
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Court of public opinion, kinda like we're doing here, except, it's not looking too good for the authority side.
 
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Excon said:
It is ridiculous to assume anything is being hidden.
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redacted / hidden
distinctions without much difference
 
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AJiveMan said:
All off target? What was he shooting at then? a cigar box? edit
some reached the target, obviously, one teenager is dead.
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He would have been aiming for the largest parts of Brown's body....not the arm, not the head.
 
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Lursa said:
BTW you made my point. If you cant count accurately sitting in front of your TV, do you expect people in the vicinity of the REAL shots are capable of doing so?
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On the 4th. of July, sitting in my living room, or lying in my bed, I know exactly how many booms I can hear. This year, there were 87 in my neighborhood, that I could hear.
 
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Lursa said:
He would have been aiming for the largest parts of Brown's body....not the arm, not the head.
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So basically, the head shot was an accident. :roll:
 
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AJiveMan said:
On the 4th. of July, sitting in my living room, or lying in my bed, I know exactly how many booms I can hear. This year, there were 87 in my neighborhood, that I could hear.
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You really dont get it, do you? Unless you are under extreme stress on your couch or in your bed? :lamo

You continue to reinforce my point.
 
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AJiveMan said:
So basically, the head shot was an accident. :roll:
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Accidental? No, I'm sure Wilson desired impact to stop the threat. Was the intended target? Cant say. They are the ones that did indeed *stop* him.

But standard police procedure...and for ANYONE trying to save their own life...you aim for the largest target...the chest area for the best chance of hitting the attacker.
 
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Lursa said:
He would have been aiming for the largest parts of Brown's body....not the arm, not the head.
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When under stress and in fear of life, when doesn't really aim as well when you are in a control setting of the range.
 
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Lursa said:
You really dont get it, do you? Unless you are under extreme stress on your couch or in your bed? :lamo

You continue to reinforce my point.
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Witnesses in the area were under stress? That's a good one. :funny
 
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Excon said:
It is ridiculous to assume anything is being hidden.
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Really? Why?

Here we have a situation with conflicting evidence, racially charged to the point of rioting and the police and two weeks later, the police, already suspect, fail to meet the terms and conditions of the laws under which they are governed. and there is no cause for suspicion there? We are to assume that nothing is being hidden?

Sorry, for justice to be done, justice needs to bee seen to be done. Their position on what happened has changed several time and now has been redacted, contrary to state law. Please, fill in a blank for me, with the streets a war zone, tanks, snipers and RPG's deployed, rioting and racial tensions for nearly two weeks, what possible and legitimate reason could the police have for redacting what is, by law, a public document?

The people of Ferguson deserve the truth, a boy is dead under suspicious circumstances made more circumspect by what appears to be a deliberate attempt to conceal evidence. The police have insulted those people, their intelligence and stolen their dignity by this shameful, corrupt attempt to obstruct justice.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Court of public opinion, kinda like we're doing here, except, it's not looking too good for the authority side.
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The public can and will speculate. An organization collectively deciding to throw out information... Thats a whole other ball of wax.

I mean the whole cigar theft crap. It had absolutely zero bearing on the shooting and the police chief acknowledged this saying the shooter cop knew nothing about it when the shooting happened... Looks like a severe sad diversion attempt to sway public opinion.
 
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