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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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AJiveMan said:
One murder is difficult enough to cover up, let alone two. Besides, the pig pretty much emptied his piece shooting Brown, are we suggesting he should have reloaded and kept on killing?
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I believe I corrected this earlier....if not you, someone else.

As a basic standard, the firearm the cop was carrying would have a magazine capacity of a minimum of 10, +1 in the chamber. More likely 17+1. (chambered round optional or per dept policy)

They havent release this information yet that I've seen, nor how many shots were actually fired but they will be able to account for how many were shot.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Look at the "strong armed robbery" report and compare it to the homicide report. Same department, same day, same procedural rules... Night and day as far as amount of content is concerned.
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Right, the robbery report is almost filled out in it's entirety, then the homicide report? lot of missing information, fill in the blanks later?
 
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Lursa said:
I believe I corrected this earlier....if not you, someone else.

As a basic standard, the firearm the cop was carrying would have a magazine capacity of a minimum of 10, +1 in the chamber. More likely 17+1.

They havent release this information yet that I've seen, nor how many shots were actually fired but they will be able to account for how many were shot.
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I posted a link earlier, CNN, that stated witnesses heard as many as 10 shots.
 
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Fenton said:
The " Pig " ??

What's your problem ?
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The term is at least as descriptive of a murderer as "thug" is for a shoplifter...
What's your problem?
 
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TNAR said:
Yeah, they deserve to be shot at with rubber bullets and tear gas! I think the police should rough them up some more! **** the Constitution!!
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If they intermingle with the rioters then its THEIR fault when they get a face full of tear gas.

And no " journalist " have been struckby runber bullets un Ferguson.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The term is at least as descriptive of a murderer as "thug"...
What's your problem?
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Dorian Johnson IS a thug. He has priors to prove it and he's a liar too.

The Officer has no prior disciplinary actions against him.

At least MY descriptions are based on something substantial, not imagined.
 
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calm said:
Hi! ShrubNose:

I debated this same topic at this thread and where I mentioned that ....
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-non-msm/202394-national-guard-called-ferguson-7.html

"When the officer fired his gun, he had to write an incident report and state why he used his weapon. This report would of been date and time stamped.
It is just normal procedure.
I am not thinking about what the ongoing investigations will show, I am thinking that the public is asking to see the report which must be completed before the officer left the police station and allowed to go home on the night of the shooting.
It is mandatory that the officer complete an incident report within hours of the shooting. The officer has no choice but to complete the report. It is the law.
I feel that the reason the statement has not been made public might well be because in order for the Blue Line to be effective within the police department, they needed to know the video and witness statements which were yet to be reviewed or interviewed.
I think that the officers statement will not hold any credibility now because the Blue Line interfered in the process right from the beginning."


At this moment in time and within the State of Missouri, the "System" itself is being challenged and the elected officials are playing to win at all costs.

The "Capitalist System" has always calculated that 15% of the population was to be "Discarded" as being "Unnecessary" and to be tossed onto the scrap heaps of history.

But anything above 15% unemployment .... the Security of the State begins to be challenged.

Calm
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Sorry, I'm not sure I understand the origin of the quoted material but I believe that the cop was taken to the hospital directly from where the incident occurred? By the time he had time to write a report...who knows how much time there was and what events in Ferguson had already transpired to influence it?
 
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AJiveMan said:
Just saw an article by Boston dot com, shooting Brown was justified because of reasonable fear.

Yup, them white cops always fear those big 'ol black folks, it's in their DNA, fear of black.
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Being the DNA expert that you are, I am sure you are well aware of the fact that criminality and violence is in the DNA of the black. Liberals understand this better than anyone. That's why liberals don't condemn black thievery and mob violence--they know blacks just cant help themselves.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Not only had Brown and Johnson not jumped to the sidewalk when ordered but when Wilson opened to door trying to hit them with it Brown pushed it back at him bumping his head. Wilson tried to pull the three-hundred pound kid through the window he was so pissed. Brown was able to pull away and ran.
When Wilson exited his cruiser he had decided that Brown was going to be killed no matter what the kid did at that point.
It was a vengeful, murderous rage.
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Where on Earth do you get that motivation for opening a car door? What purpose would it serve?

That has to be one of the most far-out speculations I've read re: this case so far. Yowzaa.
 
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Fenton said:
If they intermingle with the rioters then its THEIR fault when they get a face full of tear gas.

And no " journalist " have been struckby runber bullets un Ferguson.
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What about a cop shoving Don Lemon (media) around? Is that okay?
 
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Fenton said:
Dorian Johnson IS a thug. He has priors to prove it and he's a liar too.

The Officer has no prior disciplinary actions against him.

At least MY descriptions are based on something substantial, not imagined.
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Priors? Link? Proof of violent encounters?
 
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Lursa said:
Where on Earth do you get that motivation for opening a car door? What purpose would it serve?

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Violent intimidation? I don't know ...I've never been a cop.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
What reason would he have to lie?
Johnson was the only witness to the entire encounter between Wilson and Brown and by far the closest.
His account remains credible and consistent with all other witness accounts that are known.
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Both sides will lie in their own best interests. I expect (hope) statements from both sides to be judged & verified as much as possible by physical evidence to actually gain the truth.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Violent intimidation? I don't know ...I've never been a cop.
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Have you ever even heard of such a tactic? You are just flailing here.
 
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AJiveMan said:
What about a cop shoving Don Lemon (media) around? Is that okay?
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Lol !!

I thought it was funny. Lemon is more if a advocate than a " objective journalist ".
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I know that he was pissed at these kids before he even started talking to them, and that he shot at a fleeing unarmed teen, and that he continued to shoot at that unarmed kid going down in a surrender posture.
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No, you do not know that. You do not know a single one of those things.:doh
 
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Fenton said:
Lol !!

I thought it was funny. Lemon is more if a advocate than a " objective journalist ".
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Not to get into what you believe is morally right or correct, some people think it's not okay for cops to shove, push or mishandle citizens.
 
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AJiveMan said:
I posted a link earlier, CNN, that stated witnesses heard as many as 10 shots.
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OK, but that's still not official evidence and just how good at counting are you when there's shooting going on?

They will be able to prove exactly how many shots were fired by examining Wilson's magazine and knowing if he carried one in the chamber.
 
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Lursa said:
Both sides will lie in their own best interests. I expect (hope) statements from both sides to be judged & verified as much as possible by physical evidence to actually gain the truth.
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OK ... What are Johnson's own best interests? It's understandable that he may not want to incriminate himself but he hasn't been charged with ANYTHING. He's not trying to protect his friend ...he just watched being killed in front of him a few feet away...
What would Johnson's motivation be to make up stories after the fact?
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
Not if he face plants first I have seen many people do it.

Some people absorb impact with the ground using their face and it does not matter how big they are.

You are stating opinion based on twisting cherry picked evidence
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Seems like his face and gut could have hit first...so the knees wouldnt contact early. Not to mention that after the head shots...he probably had zero moto function if he wasnt dead when he hit the pavement. So he wouldnt have used his knees to break his fall. Just alternative speculation.
 
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Fenton said:
If they intermingle with the rioters then its THEIR fault when they get a face full of tear gas.
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First off, there is an enormous difference between "rioters" and "protesters." Perhaps you need to watch some of the video coming out of Ferguson to see that the vast majority of activity are peaceful protests. Secondly, the First Amendment very clearly states (and has been strengthened by many cases) that the government cannot interfere with the reporting of news (which includes taking pictures and/or video) so long as the person remains out of their way. Hiding behind barricades is very obviously within the intent.

Fenton said:
And no " journalist " have been struckby runber bullets un Ferguson.
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I said "shot at," not "struck by." Multiple crews have reported this.
 
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Lursa said:
OK, but that's still not official evidence and just how good at counting are you when there's shooting going on?

They will be able to prove exactly how many shots were fired by examining Wilson's magazine and knowing if he carried one in the chamber.
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When the Rifleman comes on @ 5:00 p.m., the intro? I can't even begin to count the shots, but judging by the rifle, I'd have to say it doesn't hold nearly as many as it depicts.

How does a person who just got socked in the eye, with the damage they said he sustained, aim and fire that many rounds. He must be superpig or something.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
OK ... What are Johnson's own best interests? It's understandable that he may not want to incriminate himself but he hasn't been charged with ANYTHING. He's not trying to protect his friend ...he just watched being killed in front of him a few feet away...
What would Johnson's motivation be to make up stories after the fact?
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Why not? WHy isnt he trying to protect his friend? Why wouldnt he hate the cop that killed him and want to see him up on charges?

Not to mention the public pressure of his local community where if he recants, he could end up dead? If he even looks like he favors the cop's side, his life is crap...physically or otherwise.

So yeah, he has plenty of possible motivation to lie.
 
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Lursa said:
Have you ever even heard of such a tactic? You are just flailing here.
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No but it is what was described by at least one eye witness. Why would they make that up?
To what end?
What is the tactical advantage of shouting the F bomb at Jay walkers?
 
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