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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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Buck Ewer said:
He turned. took at least one step towards Wilson. Raised his hands and as he was repeatedly shot he went to his knees , then face down in a surrender posture when the last shots were fired.
Nothing inconsistent in that assessment of events.
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You claim in two different posts that he was running away.
 
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AJiveMan said:
As many as 10 shots were fired.
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There is only evidence of 6.

The other 4 are pure speculation at this point.

The police may have evidence of more than 6 but so far we only know of 6.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
HE had abrasions on his face consistent with hitting the pavement and in fact one can hit face first.

Does not prove anything but that is the point you are declaring guilt without proof.
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A three hundred pound guy at a full run wearing shorts is gonna have scraped knees if he is shot in the brain.
I am offering my opinion of guilt with stated evidence.
 
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TNAR said:
Many journalists have attempted to figure out the timeline, but it is virtually impossible because of the lack of cooperation and available information from local agencies.

Did Wilson report the incident? We can't determine that for sure.
Why did the police chief release false information regarding the robbery? Who knows, he later redacted it.
Why is there no record of the event in the daily logs? Seems rather fishy to me.
Why have the protesters been harassed and arrested? Perhaps they're being unlawful, perhaps not.
Why are so many journalists being harassed and their movements curtailed? Who knows.

When the details of an event such as this are shrouded in secrecy, it all but ensures that assumptions of a coverup will be made.
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The 'journalists' (nope...cant use that word)...the 'media' is perhaps the single biggest problem in Ferguson. They ahve been stirring **** up trying to create stories at every turn. There has been so much false and miss information put out by sensationalists and people just trying to 'scoop' the story that every info that comes out now is suspect. The media is ginning up conflict with law enforcement officers that are in placing trying to prevent looting and violence only so they can catch themselves on camera hoping to be told to get the **** out of the way and stop being a nuisance.

There are no more journalists. They all might as well work for the Enquirer.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
A three hundred pound guy at a full run wearing shorts is gonna have scraped knees if he is shot in the brain.
I am offering my opinion of guilt with stated evidence.
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Not if he face plants first I have seen many people do it.

Some people absorb impact with the ground using their face and it does not matter how big they are.

You are stating opinion based on twisting cherry picked evidence
 
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RogueWarrior said:
This would be because police in general have never ever lied to protect their own, and especially not thisdepartment?
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That's called CYA in the military and police departments, and is as old as dirt. One would think that everyone knows that, but there are some who are naive.
 
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Montecresto said:
There's more evidence then has been seen and heard. A Grand Jury most likely won't hear all of it. The attorneys generally reveal as much evidence as is necessary to secure a true bill. Jurors are instructed that if through deliberation they feel compelled to no bill, to have the foreperson ask for more evidence, before no billing. They have the power of subpoena, and can ask for whatever they wish. Also, their bar is much lower than the trial jury, they need only find probable cause whereas the latter must find beyond reasonable doubt.
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The GJ, 9 whites, 3 blacks, expect no bias. :roll:
 
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AJiveMan said:
That's called CYA in the military and police departments, and is as old as dirt. One would think that everyone knows that, but there are some who are naive.
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It is equally naive to assume all departments do it all the time and that any incident which does not turn out the way you expected is a cover up.

It is naive to assume a cover up without evidence of one.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
OK ... If Brown was running toward Wilson why are there no abrasions reported on his knees and elbows in the autopsy report? Keep in mind that Brown weighed 300 pounds and was wearing shorts.
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When you're running at someone shooting at you, you get hit and go down, you float like a butterfly, dontchaknow. :roll:
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
There is only evidence of 6.

The other 4 are pure speculation at this point.

The police may have evidence of more than 6 but so far we only know of 6.
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At least one bullet was recovered from the house across the street.
Some witnesses reported as many as ten.
No hard number has been established.
Does anyone know what kind of weapon Wilson was using and how many rounds it can carry?
 
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apdst said:
First you say that Brown was shot from the front, then you say he was running away.
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:spin:
 
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AJiveMan said:
The GJ, 9 whites, 3 blacks, expect no bias. :roll:
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Yeah, but what if that panel indicts Wilson! There's no room to blame bias either, think of it like that.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
It is equally naive to assume all departments do it all the time and that any incident which does not turn out the way you expected is a cover up.

It is naive to assume a cover up without evidence of one.
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Incomplete police report for starters.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
THere is not one speck of evidence that he shot at Bwon while Brown was fleeing.

You dreamed that detail up.

You have very little evidence that he shot Brown while Brown was in a surrender postue and that he continued to shoot while he was boing down.

You ignore the rest of the evidence that disputes you .

As I said you cherry pick and twist whatever pseudo evidenc ryou can to support a personal feeling.
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Johnson's account of the events says that Brown was shot while fleeing. He was closest to the victim and saw him get hit.
Other witnesses report that they saw Brown flinch as he was running away.
That is a lot more than a "speck of evidence".
 
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AJiveMan said:
Incomplete police report for starters.
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What's missing from the report?
 
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Excon said:
It is ridiculous to assume anything is being hidden.
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Is it possible there's a systemic problem in the county? From the link above, I found this . . . another officer suspended for posting a video saying this:

A St. Louis County police officer, who was seen pushing a CNN anchor during protests in Ferguson, Mo., this week, was suspended from duty after a controversial video surfaced, in which he fashions himself as a merciless killer.

“I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, but I’m also a killer,” said officer Dan Page, a 35-year veteran, in the video. “I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I’ll kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me. I have no problems with it. God did not raise me to be a coward." Page added, “I’m into diversity — I kill everybody. I don’t care."

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said Page has been suspended, pending a review by the internal affairs unit, which will begin Monday. The video was brought to Belmar’s attention by CNN's Don Lemon.
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Suspended St. Louis Police Officer: "I'm Into Diversity, I Kill Everybody"

That's certainly inexcusable . . .
 
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MaggieD said:
Is it possible there's a systemic problem in the county? From the link above, I found this . . . another officer suspended for posting a video saying this:



Suspended St. Louis Police Officer: "I'm Into Diversity, I Kill Everybody"

That's certainly inexcusable . . .
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Yeah, I heard the video on the radio, he was a guest speaker at oath keepers. What sucks is that he's been relieved of duty, and will undergo psychiatric treatment. He should be fired, and in the end may be.
 
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apdst said:
What's missing from the report?
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Look it up yourself, Google is your friend, besides, I don't do other people's homework for them.
 
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apdst said:
First you say that Brown was shot from the front, then you say he was running away.
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Eye witness accounts say that Brown was running away and was hit... his body flinching when hit. The accounts go on to say that he stopped running, turned and held his hands up stepping towards Wilson asking him not to shoot... going down on his knees and eventually face down as the bullets continued to hit him.
No contradiction there. You have given the order backwards, that's all.
 
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apdst said:
How do you know he was pissed at them?
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Accounts are that he shouted "Get the **** on the sidewalk" and then almost hit them when he backed up and threw his door open.
 
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