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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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shrubnose said:
A police report on the death of Michael Brown is missing key information and violates Missouri open records laws, an ACLU attorney told Yahoo news on Friday.

Read the article here: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael Brown's death violates law


Eventually all of the facts will come out because the ACLU will insist on that.

But the question right now is: what are the Ferguson police trying to hide?
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How the word of an ACLU lawyer gospel?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
If you like I can quote and edit your post for content and change the meaning if you really want to know how it feels.
IMHO Wilson defamed himself when he executed and unarmed teen who was surrendering.
I haven't "convicted" anyone. I offer my opinion of his guilt based on the evidence I have seen read and heard.
There is nothing illegal or unfair in that exercise of my first amendment right.
My hope is that Wilson is charged so that the justice system can take it's course.
What would be unjust is if he isn't charged with the evidence known and presented.
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Actually you have pronounced guilt after twisting and picking what pseudo evidence to use.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
If you like I can quote and edit your post for content and change the meaning if you really want to know how it feels.
IMHO Wilson defamed himself when he executed and unarmed teen who was surrendering.
I haven't "convicted" anyone. I offer my opinion of his guilt based on the evidence I have seen read and heard.
There is nothing illegal or unfair in that exercise of my first amendment right.
My hope is that Wilson is charged so that the justice system can take it's course.
What would be unjust is if he isn't charged with the evidence known and presented.
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Shall I include links?
 
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buck said:
If the cop really did that, he would have had zero reason to keep the (to him only) eye witness, the gentle giant's friend, alive. Someone that is going to really shoot ome guy lying in the street and surrendering won't have any qualms about shooting the guy near him that can get him into big trouble.
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Johnson didn't push the door back at Wilson bumping his head Brown did. Wilson was shooting to kill out of rage ...not because he was covering his ass.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Johnson didn't push the door back at Wilson bumping his head Brown did. Wilson was shooting to kill out of rage ...not because he was covering his ass.
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You do not know why he was shooting he may well have been shooting in self defense. There is no evidence of this rage you refer to there is SOME evidence that Wilson was injured.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
Because he may well have been running towards the officer as the officer stated.

No magic there.

It would be much more magical to claim he was shot while in a prone position and none of the witnsses saw that particular detail
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Wilson kept shooting until Brown was face down on the ground. That is gist of what most witnesses said.
No one ever said he was running in a head down posture.
 
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Excon said:
:laughat: Duplicitous report? Ha, ha, ha!

It is ridiculous to assume anything is being hidden.
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This would be because police in general have never ever lied to protect their own, and especially not thisdepartment?
 
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There's more evidence then has been seen and heard. A Grand Jury most likely won't hear all of it. The attorneys generally reveal as much evidence as is necessary to secure a true bill. Jurors are instructed that if through deliberation they feel compelled to no bill, to have the foreperson ask for more evidence, before no billing. They have the power of subpoena, and can ask for whatever they wish. Also, their bar is much lower than the trial jury, they need only find probable cause whereas the latter must find beyond reasonable doubt.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
None of the evidence is consistent with that claim.

We only know six shots hit Brown we do not know if any others were fired we do not know any other shots went any where else.

The wounds could have been caused as he was holding his hands up in surrender or while bent forward in a run.

The fact that one bullet went through the lower arm and into the shoule is consistent with that but not with surrendering.

The evidence is too incomplete as I have been saying all along. Not only are you personally declaring murder without evidence you are tisting the evidence to make it fit
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All of the evidence is consistent with my claim.
I haven't twisted anything.
 
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shrubnose said:
You don't have to assume anything, just look at the report that the cops put out.
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What aboit it?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Wilson kept shooting until Brown was face down on the ground. That is gist of what most witnesses said.
No one ever said he was running in a head down posture.
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That is not the gist of what most witnesses said.

All the alleged witnesses are quite conflicting and contradictory. SOme of them even support the officers versions.

SOme have said he was running toward the officer and the head is normally lowered in such a postion.

All the alleged witnesses agree that Brown was either standing or walking or running ON HIS FEET.

None have stated he was prone as you originally claimed.

They do not need to say he was running WITH HIS HEAD LOWERED. Lowering ones head is normal in a run.

Either way instead of waiting for more evidence to be released or waiting until the investigation is finished you wish to cherry pick and pervert what ever weak evidence you can find to fit your belief.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
All of the evidence is consistent with my claim.
I haven't twisted anything.
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Very little of it is you are stating an outright lie what you claim all.

Several facts have been pointed out proving that ALL the evidence is not consistent with your claim and like any good flat earther or conspiracy theorist you ignore those facts.

Yes you absolutely have twisted things to fit your claim
 
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Buck Ewer said:
There is evidence that Brown was moving towards Wilson. I have always accepted that. . There is no evidence that he was rushing at Wilson and that is the only scenario that claims that Brown could have been a threat.
The autopsy says he was facing the officer when he was HIT by most of the shots. One of the wounds that grazed his arm could have been inflicted either facing away or towards Wilson. That fact was reported in Baden's press conference about the autopsy.
There are six confirmed shots that hit Wilson. Witness accounts say there could have been as many as ten shots fired and we know at least one hit a house across the street. Wilson could have been shooting and missing with most shots as the kid ran away.
Johnson's account is consistent with all the evidence that Wilson was shooting and Brown was hit while running away from Wilson and that when Brown surrendered Wilson kept shooting.
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You contradicted yourself.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
You do not know why he was shooting he may well have been shooting in self defense. There is no evidence of this rage you refer to there is SOME evidence that Wilson was injured.
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I know that he was pissed at these kids before he even started talking to them, and that he shot at a fleeing unarmed teen, and that he continued to shoot at that unarmed kid going down in a surrender posture.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I know that he was pissed at these kids before he even started talking to them, and that he shot at a fleeing unarmed teen, and that he continued to shoot at that unarmed kid going down in a surrender posture.
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THere is not one speck of evidence that he shot at Bwon while Brown was fleeing.

You dreamed that detail up.

You have very little evidence that he shot Brown while Brown was in a surrender postue and that he continued to shoot while he was boing down.

You ignore the rest of the evidence that disputes you .

As I said you cherry pick and twist whatever pseudo evidenc ryou can to support a personal feeling.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Where?
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First you claimed he was lying down now you claim he was upright and surrendering that is a contradiction.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
That is not the gist of what most witnesses said.

All the alleged witnesses are quite conflicting and contradictory. SOme of them even support the officers versions.

SOme have said he was running toward the officer and the head is normally lowered in such a postion.

All the alleged witnesses agree that Brown was either standing or walking or running ON HIS FEET.

None have stated he was prone as you originally claimed.

They do not need to say he was running WITH HIS HEAD LOWERED. Lowering ones head is normal in a run.

Either way instead of waiting for more evidence to be released or waiting until the investigation is finished you wish to cherry pick and pervert what ever weak evidence you can find to fit your belief.
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OK ... If Brown was running toward Wilson why are there no abrasions reported on his knees and elbows in the autopsy report? Keep in mind that Brown weighed 300 pounds and was wearing shorts.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
OK ... If Brown was running toward Wilson why are there no abrasions reported on his knees and elbows in the autopsy report? Keep in mind that Brown weighed 300 pounds and was wearing shorts.
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HE had abrasions on his face consistent with hitting the pavement and in fact one can hit face first.

Does not prove anything but that is the point you are declaring guilt without proof.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Where?
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First you say that Brown was shot from the front, then you say he was running away.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
First you claimed he was lying down now you claim he was upright and surrendering that is a contradiction.
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He turned. took at least one step towards Wilson. Raised his hands and as he was repeatedly shot he went to his knees , then face down in a surrender posture when the last shots were fired.
Nothing inconsistent in that assessment of events.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
He did not empty his piece at all or pretty much.

Most police carry fifteen round magazines 6 is not even half of that.

If murder is so hard to cover up why would one try to commit murder?

You are speculating which can be done all day. Wait for the evidence
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As many as 10 shots were fired.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I know that he was pissed at these kids before he even started talking to them, and that he shot at a fleeing unarmed teen, and that he continued to shoot at that unarmed kid going down in a surrender posture.
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How do you know he was pissed at them?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
He turned. took at least one step towards Wilson. Raised his hands and as he was repeatedly shot he went to his knees , then face down in a surrender posture when the last shots were fired.
Nothing inconsistent in that assessment of events.
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Once again the through and through bullet is inconsistent with that scenario and more consistent with him running towards Wilson.

The bullet went through Brown's forearm and lodged in the shoulder.

We stilol do not know the evidence is simply too weak.
 
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