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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Ferguson police most definitely DO carry Tasers;
    Grand jury hears evidence in Ferguson case as stun gun death cited in lawsuits

    Police guard the entrance to the Buzz Westfall Justice Center in Clayton, Mo., on Aug. 20, 2014.
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    CLAYTON, Mo. — A grand jury has begun hearing evidence as it weighs possible charges against the Ferguson police officer who fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown.

    St. Louis County prosecutor's spokesman Ed Magee confirmed the panel heard evidence Wednesday but offered no other details. Officials have vowed not to release any information about the grand jury's proceedings in order to avoid compromising the case.

    During the day, a small group of protesters gathered outside the suburban St. Louis building where the grand jury was meeting. About 20 police officers stood outside the building's front entrance, which was also blocked off by yellow police tape.

    It could be weeks before the grand jury decides whether Officer Darren Wilson should stand trial for Brown's Aug. 9 death.

    Stun gun death cited in Ferguson lawsuits
    ST. LOUIS — The mother and wife of a man killed by a Ferguson officer in 2011 have filed separate lawsuits with new allegations against a police department already under criticism for the death of Michael Brown.

    Jason Moore died of a heart attack on Sept. 17, 2011, after a Ferguson officer repeatedly used a stun gun on him, according to lawsuits filed separately Tuesday by Moore's mother, Delores Moore, and his wife, Tina Moore. Both lawsuits, which name the city and Ferguson leaders, along with the police department, the chief and two officers, seek damages of $75,000 or more.

    The suits filed in federal court say Jason Moore, 31, was suffering from a psychological disorder. Police were called after he ran naked down the street, yelling "God is good," ''glory to God" and "I am Jesus" at passing vehicles.

    Both lawsuits claim that a police officer used excessive force by repeatedly using a stun gun on Moore. A message left with the attorney for Ferguson was not returned. An attorney for Tina Moore declined comment. A message seeking comment from Delores Moore's attorney was not returned.

    The lawsuit comes less than two weeks after Brown was shot to death by Ferguson officer Darren Wilson, raising concerns about police brutality in the St. Louis suburb.

    A police report shows that the first officer responding to the 2011 incident advised Moore to put up his hands and walk toward the officer. That officer's report said the man came at him aggressively and refused commands to stop, swinging his fists.

    The officer said he used a five-second burst from the stun gun on Moore, who went down but tried to get up. He said he deployed two additional five-second bursts when Moore refused orders to stay on the ground.

    Moore became unresponsive as a second officer tried to speak with him. That officer began chest compressions until a medical crew arrived and took Moore to a hospital, where he died.

    The lawsuit said the officer "used more force than a reasonable police officer at the scene would have used under the circumstances." It said that if the officers should have treated Moore like a mentally ill person, not like a criminal.

    The suit by Tina Moore accused police of conspiring "to cover for and protect one another from criminal and/or civil sanctions ..."
    Grand jury hears evidence in Ferguson case as stun gun death cited in lawsuits | Times Free Press

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Sounds like whether the police in that incident were aware the person was mentally unstable will be key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Sounds like whether the police in that incident were aware the person was mentally unstable will be key.
    Some Ferguson cops will over-use their Tasers. Killing a crazy guy.
    At least one Ferguson cop wouldn't use his Taser when he should have. Killing a 300 pound jay walker...
    WTF is going on in that police department?

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Some Ferguson cops will over-use their Tasers. Killing a crazy guy.
    At least one Ferguson cop wouldn't use his Taser when he should have. Killing a 300 pound jay walker...
    WTF is going on in that police department?
    Are you aware that the mentally ill and people hyped on drugs do not react normally...or at all...to such methods? Police use them to try and get someone under control...do you suggest they stop using it just because it's not working? Ok, sure...then what do they opt for while protecting themselves and the public?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Some Ferguson cops will over-use their Tasers. Killing a crazy guy.
    At least one Ferguson cop wouldn't use his Taser when he should have. Killing a 300 pound jay walker...
    WTF is going on in that police department?
    Possibly they overcompensated after the tazer incident and that led to the killing of Brown which started this ****storm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Possibly they overcompensated after the tazer incident and that led to the killing of Brown which started this ****storm?
    That would be an interesting defense, if Wilson chose to use it at his murder trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Are you aware that the mentally ill and people hyped on drugs do not react normally...or at all...to such methods? Police use them to try and get someone under control...do you suggest they stop using it just because it's not working? Ok, sure...then what do they opt for while protecting themselves and the public?
    They don't seem to hesitate to use batons and wrestling people to the ground and sitting on them when they are arresting protesters.
    I think they didn't wanted to touch this guy because he was naked... so they Tased him over and over.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    They don't seem to hesitate to use batons and wrestling people to the ground and sitting on them when they are arresting protesters.
    I think they didn't wanted to touch this guy because he was naked... so they Tased him over and over.
    You 'think?' But as usual...you dont 'know.'

    You just prefer to believe whatever fits your preconceived notions.

    Can you imagine the media outrage if they had physically set up on, beaten up, a naked guy, based on the apparent presumption that you have...that he couldnt have been much of a threat?

    Maybe the Ferguson cops already knew about this and how dangerous crazy naked people can be. Maybe you can tell the same things to this cop's family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Ok,

    Let try to reconstruct in a general sense what happened while giving Officer Wilson the most favorable spin possible:

    The encounter

    - Brown and his friend are sauntering down the middle of the street. Brown is pumped up and juiced up after having pulled off a strong arm robbery
    -Wilson, unaware of the strong arm robbery, gives Brown a legitimate order to get out of the middle of the street
    -Brown refuses to comply, Wilson returns to Brown

    The Attack
    -Brown then suddenly attacks Wilson in his car. He quickly overcomes any resistance from Wilson, reaches over Wilson and tries to get his pistol on his right side.
    -Wilson, in fear for his life, fires a shot at Brown.

    The Attack part II
    -Brown retreats a good distance. Then, he reverses course, and suddenly charges Wilson.
    - Wilson is unable to call for back up,a nd there is no time to yell a warning at Brown.
    -In fear for his life, Wilson resumes firing at Brown.
    -Brown ignores several bullet impacts fired from a large calibre service weapon, lowers his head and keeps charging Wilson until he is dropped.

    Given that Brown was not high on PCP, how likely is this?
    You ask how likely when your narrative is off from the start?
    That makes no sense.

    The Officer became aware they fit the description after he disengaged, so he reengaged.

    There is no account that stated the Officer fired a round at Brown in the vehicle. Only that the gun discharged in it.
    And if you listen to Darian recount that event, he makes it sound like the Officer was bleeding after the discharge. Not that I know that to be true, only that is what his account sounds like, and given Dorians vast grasp of proper English, one I have no reason to believe.

    And Brown ran after the shot, at which time the Officer existed his vehicle pursued ordering them to stop.
    Well Brown obviously stopped moving forward, and according to the eyewitness overheard telling others what he saw, Brown was running towards the Officer as the Officer fired at him.

    Of course it is likely.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    (I dont buy the "He, after being shot at seconds before, suddenly turned and banzai charged me while ignoring several bullet impacts" claim.
    Of course you don't.
    Like the unscripted spontaneous utterance of the witness recorded on video is somehow false?





    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well then I suppose they can fill out the forms in full then.
    How do you now they haven't been and only redacted?





    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    If the cop pulled the pistol, and raised it to point it at Brown, Brown could have seen the cop's hand and gun, grabbed at it and there could be the discharge of the gun into the dash or other area of the car. Brown was probably defending himself from being shot point blank. I know if I were close to someone and they pulled a pistol on me, I'd grab for the hand or the gun as a defense maneuver.
    Wow!

    Brown had no right to refuse arrest and to assault the Officer trying to carry out that arrest.


    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Who initiated the confrontation? the cop being an asshole by hitting Brown with the squad car door, or the guy not walking on the sidewalk?
    You bought into bs.
    Where are the marks from the autopsy showing Brown was hit with the door?
    Because if that was true you know damn well the scheme team would be all over that shouting it to high heavens.


    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Wilson didn't know about the theft at the time of the confrontation, do some reading about what transpired.

    And again, Google Chrome is your friend.

    According to Johnson, after Officer Wilson told the two men to get on the sidewalk, he slammed his brakes, put his car into reverse, and attempted to open the door of his police car. The door hit Brown and then bounced shut again. In an interview with MSNBC last week, Johnson described how Wilson reached out and grabbed Brown by the neck. The altercation became like a “tug-of-war,” with Wilson trying to pull Brown inside the car and Brown pulling away.
    LOOK IT UP.
    Showing again that you do not know what you are talking about.
    The initial contact was over their being in the street. Then the Officer disengaged and drove off some. Only to learn of the robbery and the suspects in which he returned and engage.

    What do you think the words "after" and "reverse" mean in your quote?
    It means the initial contact was already over.
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