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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Except that peaceful demonstrators standing along the road with their hands in the air, ARE NOT RIOTERS! That would be the thugs over yonder committing crimes of arson, larcen and vandalism, who deserve a different treatment then the peaceful protesters do. Ill stay with what the police chief from Minneapolis said on this, while you can hold your own opinion.
    The "peaceful protesters" were in the same proximity as the "rioters". They were intermingled and not "over yonder", as you put it. Police have a protocol they follow in situations like this and wearing riot gear is part of that protocol, like it or not.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Can this topic get its own legal thread like the Zimmerman case got?

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You continue you're fail by equating the criminals that looted and vandalised with the peaceful protesters.
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    As myself and others have pointed out....how are they sorting them all out? The rioters and looters that are mixed in with the peaceful protesters?
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Don't lump us all in. I want justice. I feel that Wilson is probably in the right given the small amount we know, but if he isn't he should face the same consequences as any other person who kills an unarmed person.
    Ah, but if you actually want justice, then you already agree that justice =/= your opinion, so there's no issue.

    Although I admit I was a bit fed up with the partisans at the time of that post.
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Why would he supposedly be going for Wilson's gun if he already had one?
    I didn't say that Brown or his friend had a gun, only that Officer Wilson had not determined that.

    In 1995 the Supreme Court ruled that it was illegal for police anywhere to use their guns in a foot pursuit of a felon.
    According to Ten. V. Gardner:

    Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

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    I remind you that the Officer was just attacked by Brown.

    Now stop turn and get running at full speed again get shot five times and drop within 35 feet of where you started... Fourty feet is too short maybe more like fifty five feet..
    How long do you think it takes for a professional policeman to holster their weapon and draw their Taser?
    What does it matter? It is the Officer's call. Not yours. But let's go through it. We've determined that it took me 4 seconds to cover approximately 40 feet, (and that is slow as I am a 52 year old out of shape trucker), with that in mind I'd say a cop could probably holster his gun in about 2 seconds, and pull the taser (if he had one) in about the same, so that is 4 seconds...Too late, perp is on top of him.

    All cops carry Tasers it's part of the uniform equipment belt. There would be at least one more in the cruiser.
    I don't know that to be true. Can you cite the Ferguson police dept. issue manifest?

    Why?
    Why? Because nearly everything you are putting forth is pure speculation. You are ofcourse free to do that, but don't get all butt hurt when you are wrong, and people laugh out loud at you.

    I am offering my opinion and defending it on an internet site and I'm not breaking any of the rules here.
    You're offering an opinion all right...and NO ONE said you were breaking any rules, if I thought you were I'd report it and let the moderation team figure it out. But, you seem to be entrenched in your own speculation to the point of dismissing facts that don't fit the vitriol you want to spew at the officer...Way too much anger to be objective.

    Just like you .
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    Prove to me that they are not.
    Instant loss of debate...Asking me to prove a negative is weak stick, and a loser argument. I asked you to back up your claim, you obviously can't so what do you do? Just repeat the same claim as if it's fact....

    like here:

    Tasers are standard equipment on all police forces.
    How very dishonest of you.
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Ah, then the response to a riot should be soft pillows for shields and Nerf swords for batons.

    And the tear Gas should be replaced with sparklers.
    That would be police brutality!!! Never mind the rioters are throwing molotovs that can kill people.
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    That would be police brutality!!! Never mind the rioters are throwing molotovs that can kill people.

    Thats what the Nerf swords are for.

    To beat out the fire when there's a direct hit on a fellow officer.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ah, but if you actually want justice, then you already agree that justice =/= your opinion, so there's no issue.

    Although I admit I was a bit fed up with the partisans at the time of that post.
    My view of what little is known is that he could be innocent more so than he is guilty.

    What I know is that my opinion is subject to change when provided with sufficient evidence of his guilt.

    To be fair I have seen SOME, but not enough, evidence to indicate that he acted incorrectly. But we will see.
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The "peaceful protesters" were in the same proximity as the "rioters". They were intermingled and not "over yonder", as you put it. Police have a protocol they follow in situations like this and wearing riot gear is part of that protocol, like it or not.
    Military hardware and turtle gear with automatic weapons and mine resistant vehicles is hardly what was needed as stated and quoted in this thread by the police chiefs of both Seattle and Minneapolis, I'll stick with their comments supported by their training, experience and expertise and you can stick with your opinion.

    Btw, why is peaceful protesters in quotations, you denying that there were any?
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown and police crackdown on protests related to that shooting China, Russia, Iran, and Egypt have all commented on Ferguson being emblematic of racism and police brutality in the USA and noting the hypocrisy of a country that lectures others on human rights while having such brutal displays of human rights abuses occur at home.

    While the unrest has also shocked American observers and foreign correspondents from other Western democracies — including British and German reporters who have been struck by the “sounds of battle” and endured arrest — some of the most strident criticism of the police violence in Ferguson has come from authoritarian nations where the police are often venerated and dissent is scarcely tolerated.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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