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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Not only had Brown and Johnson not jumped to the sidewalk when ordered but when Wilson opened to door trying to hit them with it Brown pushed it back at him bumping his head. Wilson tried to pull the three-hundred pound kid through the window he was so pissed. Brown was able to pull away and ran.
    When Wilson exited his cruiser he had decided that Brown was going to be killed no matter what the kid did at that point.
    It was a vengeful, murderous rage.
    Still making things up I see. Figures.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You have unfairly and illegally edited my quote to make it sound like I am saying that the man in the recording fabricated his story...
    Not nice.
    Here is the accurate quote;

    The "fabrication" refers to those who WOULD say that he ran head down towards Wilson... Not what that witness said.
    No, I did not. I trimmed your post, I did not edit it. I wanted to address your question where you asked what this witnesses name was. You asked if he was willing to testify.
    I pointed out his lack of reason to lie and an explanation why it is unlikely he will testify. Nice try.

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

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    It is ridiculous to assume anything is being hidden.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    No, I did not. I trimmed your post, I did not edit it. I wanted to address your question where you asked what this witnesses name was. You asked if he was willing to testify.
    I pointed out his lack of reason to lie and an explanation why it is unlikely he will testify. Nice try.
    You omitted a sentence that changed the apparent meaning of my post. .
    That is called content editing and that is unethical underhanded and here at DP .. illegal.
    Your attempt to cover up your illegal content edit of my post is only going to get you into more hot water.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 08-23-14 at 09:10 AM.

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Typical response of one not supporting their argument. We know that is what they are doing.
    So thanks for the video.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You omitted a sentence that changed the apparent meaning of my post. .
    That is called content editing and that is unethical underhanded and here at DP .. illegal.
    Your attempt to cover up your illegal content edit of my post is only going to get you into more hot water.
    Oh stop you little drama queen, I clearly stated that I was NOT addressing that part. I was addressing your last two questions. Just like all your arguments here, you are making nonexistent connections. I never said you thought he was fabricating. I was pointing out his lack of reason to lie, and the reason if he doesn't testify. Does that make sense, or are you going to completely gloss over this too?

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    This fantasy scenario of a wounded kid running blindly face down towards the man who had just shot him four times is something out of a zombie movie not real life. It's the only way Wilson could deliver a bullet into the top of Browns head and still be a threat so this all you have.
    Then take that improbable scenario and extrapolate it to mean that Wilson's life was in danger because of it becomes even more absurd.
    If someone unarmed and wounded was truly running at me with his head down facing the street, not looking where he was going, my instinct would be to step aside not shoot him twice in the head. What threat can someone be if he isn't even looking where he is going?
    It is just like when you made up the scenario that McBride was a threat to Wafers life because she had knocked on his locked screen door and he had to open the inside door and shoot her face off to save his life.
    When your favorite tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail. When your favorite tool is a gun everything looks like a target.
    Wilson was so pissed off that this teen had disrespected him and pushed the car door back at him that he was in a vengeful rage and shot the kid even as he surrendered in the only way he could... Putting up his hands and lying face down in the street.
    If Brown were truly running towards Wilson with his head down there would be abrasions on his exposed knees and elbows as the 300 pound kid dropped while at a run... No such marks or abrasions were noted in the autopsy reports. None.... because he wasn't rushing Wilson, he was in the process of lying down, surrendering when he was shot into the top of his head.
    Murder.
    Brown took at least four other bullets in his arm/chest before the two in the head. Regardless of whether he was walking or running towards Wilson, isn't it possible that he started falling after those first four wounds, and since Wilson was likely shooting rapidly, the other two bullets hit near the top of Brown's head simply because he was already falling by then? Why is it necessary for Brown to be moving toward Wilson with his head down the whole time? That doesn't make sense to me.

    I think it's a good point that Brown doesn't appear to have any road rash that would suggest he was running, but that doesn't automatically mean he was not a threat to officer Wilson. For all we know Brown was disobeying Wilson's orders to stop approaching and get on the ground, until the shots were fired. Or maybe Brown stopped to surrender and was murdered. I don't think we have enough facts yet to determine which.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    This whole "moving toward Wilson with his head down" argument doesn't make sense to me. Brown took at least four other bullets in his arm/chest before the two in the head. Isn't it possible that he started falling after those first four wounds, and since Wilson was likely shooting rapidly, the other two bullets hit near the top of Brown's head simply because he was already falling by then? Why is it necessary for Brown to be moving toward Wilson with his head down the whole time? That doesn't make sense to me.
    It's not necessary. Either is acceptable speculation given what is known.
    The evidence says he was moving toward the Officer.
    The non-Official autopsy says he was facing the Officer when he was shot.
    The person we are arguing with apparently can not accept that.
    That is all.


    I see you have since edited. Oops!


    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    I don't think we have enough facts yet to determine which.
    What other possible information do you think is going to change what we have already been informed of?
    How are those witnesses on Brown's side going to rehabilitate their fabrications?
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Dorian Johnson's testimony remains credible and compelling.
    A prominent New Orleans attorney now represents the eyewitness at the center of the investigation into the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.

    Dorian Johnson, 22, who was with Brown when he was shot to death by a police officer, has hired James Williams and a St. Louis-based partner.

    Williams' firm of Gauthier, Houghtaling and Williams has a St. Louis office, where it operates as Bosley Williams. Freeman Bosley Jr., William's partner in the Johnson case, was St. Louis' first black mayor.

    Williams is in St. Louis, and made the media circuit Friday (Aug. 22) to redirect attention from his client and toward the officer who shot Brown, Darren Wilson.

    Johnson said in interviews immediately after the shooting that Wilson shot Brown as he was running away.

    Skeptics have assailed Johnson's credibility, pointing to a prior arrest for lying to officers. They also note that a recently released autopsy shows that Wilson's bullets struck Brown from the front, which they say contradicts Johnson's story.

    Williams defended Johnson's credibility.

    There's a reason why someone's prior criminal history is not usually admissible in court, he said; it's usually irrelevant to the veracity of their testimony.

    Credibility should be established in the context of other evidence, Williams said, and, in this case, the evidence aligns with Johnson's version of events.

    Johnson's story, as told by Williams:

    Johnson and Brown were walking on a neighborhood street when Wilson approached them from the front in a squad car. As he did so, he shouted for them to "Get the 'ef' on the sidewalk."

    They responded that they were almost to their destination. Wilson switched into reverse and swung back in front of them to cut them off, stopping so close that his door smacked Brown when Wilson tried to open it.


    Attorney James Williams

    Brown took exception and slammed the door shut, prompting Wilson to grab Brown by the neck. There was a scuffle. Wilson fired a shot from inside the squad car and the two took off.

    Johnson ducked behind a car, and watched as Brown kept running by him. Wilson kept firing.

    That's when Brown shouted that he was giving himself up and turned to face the officer, who continued to shoot. Brown was struck, sunk toward the ground, and was struck again as Wilson continued to fire.

    Williams said that version is consistent with other witnesses who have also said they saw Brown running away.

    "I've spoken with a lot of witnesses, and this young man is telling the truth," Williams said. "He has such vivid details, seeing his friend's eyes blink with every bullet that hit him."

    Johnson has been interviewed by the FBI, Williams said, and will probably be called to testify before a grand jury.

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Dorian Johnson's testimony remains credible and compelling.
    iLOL

    No he isn't credible or compelling to anybody who is rational.
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