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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I guess I didn't think it all the way through. The news reported the 35 foot distance which I believe to be accurate because his body and the police cruiser remained in position for about 5 hours.
    To be running at full speed back at Wilson Brown would need more than 5 feet to get going . Probably more like 10 or 15, putting his distance to run at more like 55 feet. He was a heavy smoker and just had a tussle with a cop through the window of the SUV where he had to break free before he could start running.
    Now for the record I don't believe he ran back towards Wilson at all . I believe that he turned and was shot almost immediately and surrendered when he found out this cop was playing for real and he felt the burn of his flesh being ripped away. I believe that at that point, consistent with at least three eye-witnesses he was going down on the ground hands up, when the last two shots were fired.
    He was wearing shorts and he had no abrasions on his knees indicating that he went down slowly not at a full run as some have suggested. One shot entering his right eye socket going through his jaw and into his chest just above his collar-bone.
    The next going through the very top of his head and lodging in the front part of his brain, as per the autopsy.
    It was this last and the only lethal shot that makes this a murder. Had Wilson stopped firing after the eye shot Brown would, most likely, have survived this shooting.
    Question: aren't the witness stories changing?

    12 yards. That isn't exactly a long way. Especially with open space. And where was the cop standing? Inside the car? At the front? In front of the front? Out in the open? In the window of the car? Lots of questions about location here.
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    I dont care.. Mike Brown is a loser.. a thug.. lesson here is "attack a cop and you will get shot"..sounds to me like this hunk of grabage robbed a store and karma got him..
    Even the principal of what goes around comes around would agree that stealing cigars is not a capital offense.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Even the principal of what goes around comes around would agree that stealing cigars is not a capital offense.
    It isn't...but he wasn't shot for stealing cigars.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Even the principal of what goes around comes around would agree that stealing cigars is not a capital offense.
    I laugh.. like he wasnt a seasoned robber of these type of store.. you live in the fantasy that that was his first robbery..

    he was a known thug.. officer Wilson was a known "good person"

    again.. how did you like those lyrics?..

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Question: aren't the witness stories changing?

    12 yards. That isn't exactly a long way. Especially with open space. And where was the cop standing? Inside the car? At the front? In front of the front? Out in the open? In the window of the car? Lots of questions about location here.
    Word is that Wilson got out of the car and took pursuit after Brown ran away. How far he was from Brown when the shootings took place has not been established other than to say that it was not point blank .

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It isn't...but he wasn't shot for stealing cigars.
    Yup... but Thug Brown was amped up thinking he was being busted for the crime he just commited.. and that amping explains Thug Browns over reaction to officer Wilson telling him to get of the middle of the street

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I guess I didn't think it all the way through. The news reported the 35 foot distance which I believe to be accurate because his body and the police cruiser remained in position for about 5 hours.
    To be running at full speed back at Wilson Brown would need more than 5 feet to get going . Probably more like 10 or 15, putting his distance to run at more like 55 feet. He was a heavy smoker and just had a tussle with a cop through the window of the SUV where he had to break free before he could start running.
    Now for the record I don't believe he ran back towards Wilson at all . I believe that he turned and was shot almost immediately and surrendered when he found out this cop was playing for real and he felt the burn of his flesh being ripped away. I believe that at that point, consistent with at least three eye-witnesses he was going down on the ground hands up, when the last two shots were fired.
    He was wearing shorts and he had no abrasions on his knees indicating that he went down slowly not at a full run as some have suggested. One shot entering his right eye socket going through his jaw and into his chest just above his collar-bone.
    The next going through the very top of his head and lodging in the front part of his brain, as per the autopsy.
    It was this last and the only lethal shot that makes this a murder. Had Wilson stopped firing after the eye shot Brown would, most likely, have survived this shooting.
    The problem with your theory is that if he had been shot with his hands up on his knees then he wouldn't have fallen with his hands at his sides, or face forward for that matter. When you die (or faint) your body falls in the direction your body was actively balancing your weight. When you are standing you're leaning forward on your feet. When you shut down your feet no longer support your weight so you fall forward. When you are on your knees to are leaning back on your shins, so when you go limp you fall back and to one side.

    The body at the scene was laying face down with its hands at its sides. That position doesn't indicate that he was in a kneeling position, and his arms are not positioned in a way to indicate they were raised. The position is what you would expect from someone falling forward from a standing position.
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    A murder.
    When someone nearly beats you unconscious, it's voluntary manslaughter.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The problem with your theory is that if he had been shot with his hands up on his knees then he wouldn't have fallen with his hands at his sides, or face forward for that matter. When you die (or faint) your body falls in the direction your body was actively balancing your weight on. When you are standing your leaning forward on your feel. When you go limp shut down your feel no longer support your weight so you fall forward. When you are on your knees to are leaning back on your shins, so when you go limp you fall back and to one side.

    The body at the scene was laying face down with its hands at its sides. That position doesn't indicate that he was in a kneeling position, and his arms are not positioned in a way to indicate they were raised. The position is what you would expect from someone falling forward from a standing position.
    correct..

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    correct..
    Not grammatically though. Need to proof read.
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