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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Well, I think you must be responsible for some unsolved murders in Colorado, because there have been some and you live there. Makes sense, doesn't it?
    I don't chase un-armed kids with a gun.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Well, it was a little more than simply "shop lifting". Strong arm robbery (store incident) is not a capital offense either.

    What the rap lyrics, the strong arm robbery and sauntering down the middle of the street do suggest is that Brown could be aggressive and was an alpha male.

    My theory is that when the alpha male officer gave a curt order, then cut back close to him and grabbed him after he was very slow to comply with a lawful order, the pumped up Brown pushed back and struck the officer (just bitch slapped away a clerk, now I bitch slapped away an officer).

    While being struck, the officer reached for his weapon. Brown continued to saunter away ("punk" was dealt with). The officer then ordered Brown to stop, and another series of posturing and threats occured which resulted in the enraged officer firing at Brown based on a pretense (he did threaten to come back at me).
    Sounds logical and believable... I believe that may be pretty close to what actually happened.I'll bet though that his tune changed after he had been shot a few times and he DID surrender before the fatal shot to the top of his head.
    That's what makes it murder IMHO.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I don't chase un-armed kids with a gun.
    It doesn't matter.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    In the police cruiser,
    Isn't it possible that Brown saw him reaching for the gun, grabbed it or the wrist of the cop and it discharged in the car?
    Sounds a lot more plausible than Brown reaching into the SUV window and going for a holstered gun on the drivers right hip doesn't it.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It doesn't matter.
    Then feel free to accuse me of whatever strikes you fancy.
    Ridiculous accusations go unheeded.
    When i call Wilson a murderer everyone gets all excited because they know fully well that there is a good chance that I am correct .

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Then feel free to accuse me of whatever strikes you fancy.
    Ridiculous accusations go unheeded.
    When i call Wilson a murderer everyone gets all excited because they know fully well that there is a good chance that I am correct .
    I don't know there is a good chance that you're correct. In fact, Wilson's record would indicate that you aren't correct.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Sounds a lot more plausible than Brown reaching into the SUV window and going for a holstered gun on the drivers right hip doesn't it.
    Sometimes you just need to think of the situation and what might have, or probably happened.

    If Brown resisted when the cop tugged his shirt, and if Brown saw the pistol coming his way, he did the most logical thing, probably socked the cop in the face and began to run away, then the cop, in a fit of anger drew down on Brown and executed him, because he got socked. I can picture it in my mind.

    Of course, there's no record of what exactly happened because the police report was basically all blank, no account from Wilson at all.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    If the cop pulled the pistol, and raised it to point it at Brown, Brown could have seen the cop's hand and gun, grabbed at it and there could be the discharge of the gun into the dash or other area of the car. Brown was probably defending himself from being shot point blank. I know if I were close to someone and they pulled a pistol on me, I'd grab for the hand or the gun as a defense maneuver.
    I think that is also a possibility- thoogh Brown's actions may not be self defense in the true sense of the word. Consider these two scenarios:

    Scenario I
    -Brown, a pumped up alpha male is walking down the middle of the street after just "slapping down" an "adversary". He has a friend with him, and wants to continue impressing his friend with just how alpha is really is
    -Brown strikes police officer (slaps down) after officer tries to grab him
    -Officer points weapon at Brown -probably not truly needed, but justified (stop attacking me)
    -Brown attempts to grab weapon, resulting in officer firing it

    Or,
    Scenario II
    - Officer points weapon at Brown simply for refusing his lawful order. Brown thinks he is going to be killed and tries to grab the weapon.
    - Possible, but there is nothing in the officer's back ground to suggest the would do this.

    In contrast, there are elements in Brown's past to suggest he would try to slap down a "punk" (store clerk got assaulted)- espescially if he was trying to impress a friend. Thus, I would go for scenario I

    Or.... the officer never fired the weapon from the police cruiser?

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda1858 View Post
    You are the 4th person that I've seen post about the 2 teens who were attacked at that McDonald's in Texas. Has there been anything else since that incident in 2012?
    The parents of the two kids that lost their lives sued McDonalds and won.....I think.

    ONE thug was charged in the beating and he received 90 days in jail.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I'll bet though that his tune changed after he had been shot a few times and he DID surrender before the fatal shot to the top of his head.
    That's what makes it murder IMHO.
    I agree completely- though I may go for manslaughter if it can be shown that Brown really did start back towards the officer. Also, the more I think about this, the more I believe that it never would have went that far if Brown's friend was not there.

    I really think Brown was trying to impress his friend by sauntering down the middle of the street after "slapping down the "punk" clerk", refusing to comply with Wilson's order (however curt and aggressive it was given), and resisting when Wilson grabbed him.

    With each "alpha male success", Brown got more confident. He just did not realize to what level the humiliated alpha male officer would pursue the "macho contest"
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