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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    There are no witness accounts that describe Brown as running towards Wilson with his head down.
    That is an often repeated fabrication not based on any witnesses account of what they saw.
    The post above yours shows that he was witnessed running towards the Officer.

    As for what you are calling a fabrication, not.
    It is hearsay evidence that has reportedly been confirmed from inside sources, as well as from 12 other witnesses.

    Now you can call the bum-rushed claim officially unconfirmed at this point all you want. But not fabricated.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Eyewitness statement of events. Spontaneous even.



    Brown doubled back and ran towards the Officer. This witness was surprised because he thought the Officer was missing Brown as he approached.
    This witness does not indicate any activity that could even be described as surrendering.
    And running towards the Officer is not indicative of someone surrendering.
    "Witness" described Brown as coming towards the police. Never can he be heard to say running towards the police. Never can he be heard to say running towards the police with his head down.
    That is a fabrication presented by those who are trying to explain how some one can be shot into the top of their head from ten yards away from the front...
    BTW ...What is this "witnesses" name?
    Do you believe he is prepared to testify?

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    A police report on the death of Michael Brown is missing key information and violates Missouri open records laws, an ACLU attorney told Yahoo news on Friday.

    Read the article here: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael Brown's death violates law

    Eventually all of the facts will come out because the ACLU will insist on that.

    But the question right now is: what are the Ferguson police trying to hide?
    Why would anyone think of believing a local report. You have to be very trusting, indeed.

    The FBI should be mandated to do this type of investigation. Leaving it in the hands of locals undermines trust in police and government.

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    "Witness" described Brown as coming towards the police. Never can he be heard to say running towards the police. Never can he be heard to say running towards the police with his head down.
    That is a fabrication presented by those who are trying to explain how some one can be shot into the top of their head from ten yards away from the front...
    BTW ...What is this "witnesses" name?
    Do you believe he is prepared to testify?
    As usual, you are not paying attention.

    @ 00:52
    "Dude started running ... coming toward the Police."

    I do not need to know his name.
    Do you really think the police have not found him?
    As for being prepared? Are you suggesting he should cower because he knows the black community may overreact like they did to the QuickTrip, and the liquor store that Brown robbed?
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The misinformation flying around in this case is astounding. We've had it reported that this was an execution in the streets of a gentle giant to a cop with no choice but to shoot him dead.

    And the worst part is it's the so called news media doing it. They will put absolutely anything out there.
    That's not news. That's infotainment.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    As usual, you are not paying attention.

    @ 00:52
    "Dude started running ... coming toward the Police."

    I do not need to know his name.
    Do you really think the police have not found him?
    As for being prepared? Are you suggesting he should cower because he knows the black community may overreact like they did to the QuickTrip, and the liquor store that Brown robbed?
    There is a lot of confusion and discussion at the beginning of this audio recording as to which way Brown is facing and where the cop was shooting from. There seems to be disbelief that the cop shot him because of the way he is facing.
    You are quoting the screen text. Not what was said.
    He said "Dude started running, then coming towards the police." To explain why he is facing the cruiser. He is described as running away earlier in the recording, but the confusion over who shot him persists.
    The point was that this "witness" was explaining to his friend that Brown started running (away) ...then came towards the police (surrendering)
    and the cop kept shooting. "Running" is street vernacular for trying to get away.
    That's how I heard it.
    The "..." in the screen text conveniently omits the key word "then" making it seem as though this "witness" is saying Brown was running towards the police.
    He said nothing of the sort.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You don't have to assume anything.

    All you have to do is take a look at the duplicitous report that the Ferguson police put out to see that there's a cover-up going on.

    Eventually (At the trials maybe.) all of the facts will come out.
    Hi! ShrubNose:

    I debated this same topic at this thread and where I mentioned that ....
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...erguson-7.html

    "When the officer fired his gun, he had to write an incident report and state why he used his weapon. This report would of been date and time stamped.
    It is just normal procedure.
    I am not thinking about what the ongoing investigations will show, I am thinking that the public is asking to see the report which must be completed before the officer left the police station and allowed to go home on the night of the shooting.
    It is mandatory that the officer complete an incident report within hours of the shooting. The officer has no choice but to complete the report. It is the law.
    I feel that the reason the statement has not been made public might well be because in order for the Blue Line to be effective within the police department, they needed to know the video and witness statements which were yet to be reviewed or interviewed.
    I think that the officers statement will not hold any credibility now because the Blue Line interfered in the process right from the beginning."



    At this moment in time and within the State of Missouri, the "System" itself is being challenged and the elected officials are playing to win at all costs.

    The "Capitalist System" has always calculated that 15% of the population was to be "Discarded" as being "Unnecessary" and to be tossed onto the scrap heaps of history.

    But anything above 15% unemployment .... the Security of the State begins to be challenged.

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    There is a lot of confusion and discussion at the beginning of this audio recording as to which way Brown is facing and where the cop was shooting from.
    There is confusion in the moment as they do not understand how Brown was facing towards the Officer if he was running away.
    That is all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    You are quoting the screen text. Not what was said.
    I am quoting what he said. The ellipsis indicated the portion that can not be made out.

    Now if you want to say that he is saying other than what we can clearly hear him saying. Get at it. Enhance, isolate and provide.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    He said "Dude started running, then coming towards the police." To explain why he is facing the cruiser. He is described as running away at first.
    No. That is not what it sounds like at all. Stop making things up.
    It sounds more like he is saying "Then the dude started running, cept [except] for coming towards the police". Which makes far more sense considering what he had already said.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    That's how I heard it.
    I would suggest you get better ears.
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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    "Witness" described Brown as coming towards the police.
    That is a fabrication presented by those who are trying to explain how some one can be shot into the top of their head from ten yards away from the front...
    BTW ...What is this "witnesses" name?
    Do you believe he is prepared to testify?
    Do you think this person has reason to lie? He doesn't know he's being recorded. He's telling his version of events without any coaching and to random people on the street. Absolutely no reason to lie.
    And if you were him, would you come forward with a story that incriminates Brown and testify? Especially after threats written in graffiti, like, say, "Snitches get stitches"?

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    re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There is confusion in the moment as theydo not understand how Brown was facing towards the Officer if he was running away.
    That is all.

    I am quoting what he said. The ellipsis indicated the portion that can not be made out.

    Now if you want to say that he is saying other than what we can clearly hear him saying. Get at it. Enhance, isolate and provide.


    No. That is not what it sounds like at all. Stop making things up.
    It sounds more like he is saying "Then the dude started running, cept [except] for coming towards the police". Which makes far more sense considering what he had already said.


    I would suggest you get better ears.
    Text over audio is an old trick employed to get people to think they heard something that they didn't.
    At first such a ploy seems like a courtesy to help the listener to understand hard to hear passages.
    The person at the source of the recording is obviously trying to make the case for Wilson, so I distrust anything that he typed.
    "Running" in street vernacular indicates an attempt to get away. Running towards someone would be described as "rushing" not running, just as Excon has, from the football terminology ( rushing the quarterback).
    The guy said, he was running, then coming towards the police, indicating Brown ran away then turned and came towards him, in a slow walk, not a run.
    Neither this man nor anyone else ever described Brown as running towards Wilson with his head down.
    Besides it makes no sense ...no one would rush with their head facing down when their destination was still over thirty feet away.
    That posture may occur in the last few feet just before impact, but not at over thirty feet away.
    No one would "rush" the shooter from thirty+ feet away after that shooter had just shot them. The only sensible thing for someone to do in that situation would be to surrender hands up and to lie down, face down to get them to stop shooting.
    That is exactly what Brown was trying to do.
    At that point, an out of control raging Wilson vengefully shot the prone, or near prone kid, twice IN THE HEAD.
    The thought that an un-armed teen would run head long, face down towards someone who had already shot them four times from over thirty feet away is absurd fantasy.
    It is a search, and a reach, for any scenario that could possibly justify a murder of an un-armed kid murdered in a blind rage.
    It doesn't make sense because it didn't happen.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 08-23-14 at 06:36 AM.

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