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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

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    No there isn't. Not one rational reason exists to suspect such.
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    ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    A government and line of authority that run unchecked is never safe. Look at the PATRIOT Act. That expanded the rights of police forces exponentially, and they do not need to disclose any of it. Warrentless searches, indefinite detainment of uncharged people, using illegally obtained evidence in court, etc. Do you see them coming out with the records of who they have detained without arresting them. Do you see them disclosing what was so desperate to find that they bypassed the Constitution. These are just a few examples of why placing your trust in the government and police forces is terrible.
    This is about one specific incident.
    There exist absolutely no reason to suspect such in regards to this case.
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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Actually, that's your trouble being that there was both there.
    I don't have any trouble with the cops segrigating the rioters from the protesters and busy heads. It would behoove the protesters to make way for the cops to move in and bust heads among the trouble makers.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Being the DNA expert that you are, I am sure you are well aware of the fact that criminality and violence is in the DNA of the black. Liberals understand this better than anyone. That's why liberals don't condemn black thievery and mob violence--they know blacks just cant help themselves.
    Holy crap. Is that a joke?

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The ex Seattle police chief Norman Stamper has the experience that you lack, and he DISAGREES with you.

    NS: From a distance, and without having interviewed anyone in Ferguson or talked with anyone on it, just relying on media reports, I would have to characterize the police response as an overreaction. Had you set out to make matters worse, you couldn't have done a better job.

    I'm just very, very disappointed and troubled that lessons that we learned in Seattle have not been embraced by American law enforcement in general, by these police departments that are facing mistrust and distrust in their communities in particular. If anything, the police in America belong to the people, not the other way around. As such, they have a responsibility to forge what I would call an authentic partnership with the community where they reject unilateral decision-making. One partner in a partnership just simply does not make unilateral or arbitrary decisions.

    Seattle's former police chief speaks out on Ferguson and police militarization - Vox
    I dont give a **** if he wrote the book on law enforcement. If HIS position is as YOU state it and that he has ignored the reality that the police didnt engage the protesters/rioters with teargas and rubber bullets until after the third day of rioting he is a liar. Or you are intentionally misrepresenting his position. Regardless...the video VERY CLEARLY shows the protesters protesting in front of a burned down QT market. Day 4.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The ex Seattle police chief Norman Stamper has the experience that you lack, and he DISAGREES with you.

    NS: From a distance, and without having interviewed anyone in Ferguson or talked with anyone on it, just relying on media reports, I would have to characterize the police response as an overreaction. Had you set out to make matters worse, you couldn't have done a better job.

    I'm just very, very disappointed and troubled that lessons that we learned in Seattle have not been embraced by American law enforcement in general, by these police departments that are facing mistrust and distrust in their communities in particular. If anything, the police in America belong to the people, not the other way around. As such, they have a responsibility to forge what I would call an authentic partnership with the community where they reject unilateral decision-making. One partner in a partnership just simply does not make unilateral or arbitrary decisions.

    Seattle's former police chief speaks out on Ferguson and police militarization - Vox
    "From a distance, and without having interviewed anyone in Ferguson or talked with anyone on it, just relying on media reports..."

    Start over...

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When the dust settles they can clean up their own mess.
    Amen. I'm all for it. The police should back completely out. They should let the looters, rioters, protesters and those ****wad paparazzi posing as 'photojournalists" all work **** out. ANd theres a whole lot of others that should join them. Id LOVE to hear their reports after dark.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Amen. I'm all for it. The police should back completely out. They should let the looters, rioters, protesters and those ****wad paparazzi posing as 'photojournalists" all work **** out. ANd theres a whole lot of others that should join them. Id LOVE to hear their reports after dark.
    And, anyone who wastes one of those clown in defense of theor property get automatic immunity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If you watched the entirety of Baden's press conference you would know that he pointed out that the graze wound on the right fore-arm may have been fired from in front or from behind Brown and that there is no way to tell.
    Several witnesses said that they saw Brown flinch as though he was hit while running away from Wilson's gun fire and that he turned and faced Wilson only after that occurred. That is consistent with what Johnson recounted as well.
    " In the back " is not inconsistent with "shot from behind".
    Due to the grouping of the shots, it's highly unlikely that Wilson shot Brown once in the right arm while he was running (which would be to the officer's right) then re-aimed to the same arm, same side of the chest and same side of the face once he turned around (which would now be to the officer's left). Again, based on the totality of evidence, Johnson's story is ridiculous. So, while it's technically possible, the evidence nearly negates it as a possibility.

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