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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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It isn't...but he wasn't shot for stealing cigars.

Yup... but Thug Brown was amped up thinking he was being busted for the crime he just commited.. and that amping explains Thug Browns over reaction to officer Wilson telling him to get of the middle of the street
 
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I guess I didn't think it all the way through. The news reported the 35 foot distance which I believe to be accurate because his body and the police cruiser remained in position for about 5 hours.
To be running at full speed back at Wilson Brown would need more than 5 feet to get going . Probably more like 10 or 15, putting his distance to run at more like 55 feet. He was a heavy smoker and just had a tussle with a cop through the window of the SUV where he had to break free before he could start running.
Now for the record I don't believe he ran back towards Wilson at all . I believe that he turned and was shot almost immediately and surrendered when he found out this cop was playing for real and he felt the burn of his flesh being ripped away. I believe that at that point, consistent with at least three eye-witnesses he was going down on the ground hands up, when the last two shots were fired.
He was wearing shorts and he had no abrasions on his knees indicating that he went down slowly not at a full run as some have suggested. One shot entering his right eye socket going through his jaw and into his chest just above his collar-bone.
The next going through the very top of his head and lodging in the front part of his brain, as per the autopsy.
It was this last and the only lethal shot that makes this a murder. Had Wilson stopped firing after the eye shot Brown would, most likely, have survived this shooting.

The problem with your theory is that if he had been shot with his hands up on his knees then he wouldn't have fallen with his hands at his sides, or face forward for that matter. When you die (or faint) your body falls in the direction your body was actively balancing your weight. When you are standing you're leaning forward on your feet. When you shut down your feet no longer support your weight so you fall forward. When you are on your knees to are leaning back on your shins, so when you go limp you fall back and to one side.

The body at the scene was laying face down with its hands at its sides. That position doesn't indicate that he was in a kneeling position, and his arms are not positioned in a way to indicate they were raised. The position is what you would expect from someone falling forward from a standing position.
 
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A murder.

When someone nearly beats you unconscious, it's voluntary manslaughter.
 
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The problem with your theory is that if he had been shot with his hands up on his knees then he wouldn't have fallen with his hands at his sides, or face forward for that matter. When you die (or faint) your body falls in the direction your body was actively balancing your weight on. When you are standing your leaning forward on your feel. When you go limp shut down your feel no longer support your weight so you fall forward. When you are on your knees to are leaning back on your shins, so when you go limp you fall back and to one side.

The body at the scene was laying face down with its hands at its sides. That position doesn't indicate that he was in a kneeling position, and his arms are not positioned in a way to indicate they were raised. The position is what you would expect from someone falling forward from a standing position.

correct..
 
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correct..

Not grammatically though. Need to proof read.
 
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The police union lawyer told Wilson not to write anything almost immediately after the homicide, is what I read.
Wilson took his advice but it sure does make him look guilty.
Like Nixon's eighteen and a half minute gap.

Source?
 
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Yup... but Thug Brown was amped up thinking he was being busted for the crime he just commited.. and that amping explains Thug Browns over reaction to officer Wilson telling him to get of the middle of the street

I agree that there's a strong likelihood that Brown believed he was going to be arrested. If I had just finished robbing a store and I got pulled over or stopped by a cop, I'd think the same thing.
 
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I laugh.. like he wasnt a seasoned robber of these type of store.. you live in the fantasy that that was his first robbery..

he was a known thug.. officer Wilson was a known "good person"

again.. how did you like those lyrics?..
Again, even good people make bad decisions when they allow their emotions get the better of them and I believe that is what happened to Wilson that day. Problem for him is that when you make bad decisions with a gun in your hand people die. Whatever Brown was or did he did not deserve to be murdered that day and I believe that he was.
I personally deplore all rap recordings ...I can't even bring myself to call it rap "music".
Whatever illegal things Brown did before that day is PURE conjecture on anybody's part ... But you should keep in mind that he has a perfectly clean police record.
If he did steal before that day he was never caught.
A lot of people write and repeat really disgusting rap lyrics, but as of yet that is not a capital or even a misdemeanor offense.
 
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I don't chase un-armed kids with a gun.

19 is an adult.

And you continue to tell us you are reaching 'logical' conclusions?
 
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I agree that there's a strong likelihood that Brown believed he was going to be arrested. If I had just finished robbing a store and I got pulled over or stopped by a cop, I'd think the same thing.

He may well have believed that he was going to be arrested for what he had just done ... But I doubt he thought he was going to be killed for it.
 
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... But you should keep in mind that he has a perfectly clean police record.

<snip> .

If previous record's have any bearing on this case, then Wilson's previous spotless record is just as powerful and relevant as Brown's.

I also believe any records of improper acts that Brown may have had as a juvenile would also be sealed. Not to say he had any, but if he did, they wouldn't be public I don't think.
 
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19 is an adult.

And you continue to tell us you are reaching 'logical' conclusions?
I am 61 anyone younger than 30 is a kid to me.
I raised two boys and believe me there is nothing adult about a 19 year old boy.
 
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He may well have believed that he was going to be arrested for what he had just done ... But I doubt he thought he was going to be killed for it.

I would guarantee that he didn't think he would be killed. And of course we know he wasn't killed for robbing the store.
 
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Again, even good people make bad decisions when they allow their emotions get the better of them and I believe that is what happened to Wilson that day. Problem for him is that when you make bad decisions with a gun in your hand people die. Whatever Brown was or did he did not deserve to be murdered that day and I believe that he was.
I personally deplore all rap recordings ...I can't even bring myself to call it rap "music".
Whatever illegal things Brown did before that day is PURE conjecture on anybody's part ... But you should keep in mind that he has a perfectly clean police record.
If he did steal before that day he was never caught.
A lot of people write and repeat really disgusting rap lyrics, but as of yet that is not a capital or even a misdemeanor offense.

its not conjecture? its fact.. its on tape yet..

whats conjecture is your fictional "story telling" of what you pray happened ..

again.. if Wilson had a country song he wrote with "anti black, shoot them" lyrics you think it says nothing about that person?

Thug Brown wrote the most grotesque anti women pro violence lyrics.. it SAYS A LOT ABOUT WHAT MADE HIM TICK
 
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I am 61 anyone younger than 30 is a kid to me.
I raised two boys and believe me there is nothing adult about a 19 year old boy.

Except they can vote, sign contracts, and go to war. And they are free to make their own decisions.

Brown was an adult, not a boy.
 
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Word is that Wilson got out of the car and took pursuit after Brown ran away. How far he was from Brown when the shootings took place has not been established other than to say that it was not point blank .

So basically...he could have been a hell of a lot closer than 12 yards. He could have been 10 or 7. Changes the game a little.
 
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I am 61 anyone younger than 30 is a kid to me.
I raised two boys and believe me there is nothing adult about a 19 year old boy.

nonsense.. Ive lived on my own since 19.. I considered myself a man and part of society..
 
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If previous record's have any bearing on this case, then Wilson's previous spotless record is just as powerful and relevant as Brown's.

I also believe any records of improper acts that Brown may have had as a juvenile would also be sealed. Not to say he had any, but if he did, they wouldn't be public I don't think.
Good question ...if that were the case I'm willing to bet someone would have come forward with something by now.
We can say for sure that he kept his record clean since his 18th birthday.
 
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nonsense.. Ive lived on my own since 19.. I considered myself a man and part of society..

Good for you ...Brown was still living with his mama.
 
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Good question ...if that were the case I'm willing to bet someone would have come forward with something by now.
We can say for sure that he kept his record clean since his 18th birthday.

Yes, I would agree that any malfeasance after one turns 18 are a matter of pubic record.
 
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I didnt see where they released the distance..where was that? I havent seen it yet.

Now, please provide something factual to support this: For a 300 pound guy to run 40 or so feet it had to take at least 30 seconds.'

Because according to studies done and *admissable in court*, this is how fast an attacker can reach someone in 21 feet.

"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds."

Tueller Drill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An adreneline-pumped 19 yr old? Even at 300 lbs he's going alot faster than 1 foot/second. Did you seriously even think about that before typing?

I laughed out loud at that suggestion. THis is an 18 year old kid, not a Tim Conway character.

 
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Good for you ...Brown was still living with his mama.

and Obama will pay for that with my taxes..
 
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Good question ...if that were the case I'm willing to bet someone would have come forward with something by now.
We can say for sure that he kept his record clean since his 18th birthday.

We can also say for sure that he was willing to use intimidation to steal....it's on video.

Just because they never had a chance to charge him doesnt mean he was innocent. He was not.

"Not getting caught" isnt much of a recommendation.
 
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Good for you ...Brown was still living with his mama.

Nope. There have been reports that he was living with his grandma.

I wonder why?
 
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