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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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Buck Ewer said:
At least one bullet was recovered from the house across the street.
Some witnesses reported as many as ten.
No hard number has been established.
Does anyone know what kind of weapon Wilson was using and how many rounds it can carry?
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There is no evidence of more than 6
 
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AJiveMan said:
Incomplete police report for starters.
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We do not know if it is incomplete they have not released it all
 
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Fenton said:
You're doing it again.

Blindly buying into a narrative and a witness account.

An account thats been proven false from a witness who's been proven to be a liar

Why do you Liberal types do that ? Believe everything your'e told ?
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I'm not a liberal type. Not hanging on the right edge like a knuckle dragger either. Now then, everybody is a liar, if you want to point out that Johnson has lied in the past, therefore he can never be trusted to tell the truth again, then you need to set down and be quiet along with 7 billion other people on the planet.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Johnson's account of the events says that Brown was shot while fleeing. He was closest to the victim and saw him get hit.
Other witnesses report that they saw Brown flinch as he was running away.
That is a lot more than a "speck of evidence".
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Wrong because those witnesses are all dis credited by the simple fact that we know for certian he was not shot in the back.

You are back to no evidence whatsoever of being shot from behind
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
Wrong because those witnesses are all dis credited by the simple fact that we know for certian he was not shot in the back.

You are back to no evidence whatsoever of being shot from behind
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According to Buck the evidence was inconclusive as to whether the deceased was shot from behind, at least for one of his wounds.
 
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TNAR said:
I did not include the witness statements in my summary. Two of the witnesses claim Brown was shot again after he had fallen to the pavement.

Edit: This is not to suggest that witness statements are any more reliable than official statements from police. Pretty much everyone has an ulterior motive.
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No witness saw him shot while lying on the pavement.
 
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Fenton said:
Source ?

Dorian Johnson has a record, Dorian Johnson lied about Brown being shot in the back.

Autopsy clearly showed all bullets came from the front.

Dorian Johnson failed to include that he had just participated in a strong arm robbery.

You actually consider his testimony credible ?

And prior criminal record CAN be used against a witness in a court of law
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Sure hope you're not called for jury duty. Having just finished a 12 month Federal Grand Jury service I can tell you categorically that you are wrong.
 
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MaggieD said:
Is it possible there's a systemic problem in the county? From the link above, I found this . . . another officer suspended for posting a video saying this:



Suspended St. Louis Police Officer: "I'm Into Diversity, I Kill Everybody"

That's certainly inexcusable . . .
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MaggieD said:
A LEO posting a video like that is nuts. My point is that, if there's some kind of macho mindset going on in the county where a COP would actually feel comfortable posting something like that, perhaps it's an indication that there's a wrong-headed supervisory mindset in the county as well. Some of that smack talking is quite contagious.

(Doing it in the service? Okay. Doing it as a cop? Not okay.)
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MaggieD, while this is certainly worthy of discussing in it own topic, it has no relevance to the Officer in question in this case.

There is no relevant connection to him, or of him having such a viewpoint.

So it is irrelevant to this case, and is nothing more than a distraction from the evidence.

So again. A topic worthy of discussion, but nothing more than a distraction in this topic.
 
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Still amazed that wingers on the right are anti civil liberties and pro police abuse, from the foul mouthed belligerence to the trigger happy, pushy, rubber bullet shooting, tear gas throwing, automatic weapon pointing, MRAP driving sob's on display in Ferguson.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
redacted / hidden
distinctions without much difference
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Is that what you think? That's nice.
While I would agree with you in general, you are wrong in this case.
Wrong because it is being implied that such is being done for nefarious purposes.
 
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Cryptic said:
You are forgetting that the men were both participating in a "d-ck size contest" at that moment.
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That is not what happened at all.
An Officer was acting in the performance of his duties to apprehend a robbery suspect.
That suspect became violent and made himself a lethal threat.
That is not a "d-ck size contest".
 
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iacardsfan said:
It is ridiculous to put all your faith in authority that they are doing the right thing and being forthcoming with all information.
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There is no rational reason to suspect such. Until such time, any such assertion belongs in the CT zone.




AJiveMan said:
Just saw an article by Boston dot com, shooting Brown was justified because of reasonable fear.

Yup, them white cops always fear those big 'ol black folks, it's in their DNA, fear of black.
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Stop spewing racist and racial hatred.




poweRob said:
There you go again pretending you know all the evidence.
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There you go making absurd and false claims again.
Figures.

How in the world do you confuse my saying "known evidence" with you thinking "all the evidence". Huh?
Do you not know there is a difference?




TNAR said:
Did you notice how I included sources for everything I said? Are we just supposed to believe you at face value? The Ferguson Police Department certainly did not "confirm" that Brown robbed the store. The store owner has denied that Brown stole anything. So perhaps you could enlighten us with something other than your personal opinion.
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This is you not knowing the evidence, evidence that has already been discussed in multiple threads. As in those other threads sources were provided supporting exactly what I have told you.

It was confirmed it was him. Through Dorian's attorney and the families attorney. And the store owner was willing to press charges.
Learn the evidence.


TNAR said:
You mean irrelevant to your preconceived conclusions for the events in question.
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No, I mean in accordance with the currently known evidence, which you apparently do not know.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
There is no evidence of more than 6
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There are many people who claim that they heard a lot more than six rounds.
Eye-witness / ear-witness testimony is evidence .
To say otherwise is not consistent with the American Judicial system.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
There is no evidence that he was rushing at Wilson and that is the only scenario that claims that Brown could have been a threat.
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Wrong.
You were provided with it multiple times already.
And the threat had already been established.
And Brown had already established himself as a threat when he tried to take the Officers gun.
That threat doesn't magically disappear because he moves away and then attempts to return. The same threat is still there.



Buck Ewer said:
The autopsy says he was facing the officer when he was HIT by most of the shots. One of the wounds that grazed his arm could have been inflicted either facing away or towards Wilson. That fact was reported in Baden's press conference about the autopsy.
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The Officer was firing as he approached.

And here is the other thing that seems to escape you.
Dr. Baden's re-autopsy is meaningless. Only the Official autopsy is going to matter.


And then on top of that, where are the trajectory findings from Dr. Baden? That will certainly tell you the position the arms were in when they were hit, because all the shots have to originate from a very similar starting point and angle.
Why are they absent form what Dr. Baden has revealed? Did he skip that? If so, why?
This autopsy was for no other purpose than to spin a narrative by Parks and Crump.


Buck Ewer said:
There are six confirmed shots that hit Wilson. Witness accounts say there could have been as many as ten shots fired and we know at least one hit a house across the street. Wilson could have been shooting and missing with most shots as the kid ran away.
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:doh


Buck Ewer said:
Johnson's account is consistent with all the evidence that Wilson was shooting and Brown was hit while running away from Wilson and that when Brown surrendered Wilson kept shooting.
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Buck Ewer said:
What reason would he have to lie?
Johnson was the only witness to the entire encounter between Wilson and Brown and by far the closest.
His account remains credible and consistent with all other witness accounts that are known.
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No he isn't, no he doesn't and he has no credibility.


Buck Ewer said:
Johnson didn't push the door back at Wilson bumping his head Brown did. Wilson was shooting to kill out of rage ...not because he was covering his ass.
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Really?
Where are injuries on the autopsy showing a door struck him?
:doh
:lamo


Buck Ewer said:
All of the evidence is consistent with my claim.
I haven't twisted anything.
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No it isn't.


Buck Ewer said:
I know that he was pissed at these kids before he even started talking to them, and that he shot at a fleeing unarmed teen, and that he continued to shoot at that unarmed kid going down in a surrender posture.
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You know no such thing.
Stop making things up.


Buck Ewer said:
Johnson's account of the events says that Brown was shot while fleeing. He was closest to the victim and saw him get hit.
Other witnesses report that they saw Brown flinch as he was running away.
That is a lot more than a "speck of evidence".
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And he spun and lied from the get. He isn't credible.


Buck Ewer said:
Accounts are that he shouted "Get the **** on the sidewalk" and then almost hit them when he backed up and threw his door open.
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No. This is nothing but you buying into the bs of the criminal cohort.
Which in part has already been shown to be false.
 
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Soupnazi630 said:
We do not know if it is incomplete they have not released it all
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The word is that a representative of the police union advised Wilson not to write one immediately after the homicide.
It seems that he took that advice.
IMHO I believe that a well thought out and carefully written report could never be as damaging to the defense, as the appearance of impropriety not writing one presents.
All we have is a dispatch report with only the bare bones of who arrived at the scene and when they left outlined.
 
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Excon said:
Wrong.
You were provided with it multiple times already.
And the threat had already been established.
And Brown had already established himself as a threat when he tried to take the Officers gun.
That threat doesn't magically disappear because he moves away and then attempts to return. The same threat is still there.
The Officer was firing as he approached.
And here is the other thing that seems to escape you.Dr. Baden's re-autopsy is meaningless. Only the Official autopsy is going to matter.
And then on top of that, where are the trajectory findings from Dr. Baden? That will certainly tell you the position the arms were in when they were hit, because all the shots have to originate from a very similar starting point and angle.
Why are they absent form what Dr. Baden has revealed? Did he skip that? If so, why?
This autopsy was for no other purpose than to spin a narrative by Parks and Crump.
No he isn't, no he doesn't and he has no credibility.
Really?
Where are injuries on the autopsy showing a door struck him?
No it isn't.
You know no such thing.
Stop making things up.
And he spun and lied from the get. He isn't credible.
No. This is nothing but you buying into the bs of the criminal cohort.
Which in part has already been shown to be false.
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We have been over this many times Excon and I am tired of repeating what I believe happened and why.
Do you care to make a prediction as to what the Grand Jury will recommend?
I believe there is far too much probable cause evidence for Wilson to walk without a trial.
What do you believe will happen?
Take the risk and commit yourself to a prediction.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
We have been over this many times Excon and I am tired of repeating what I believe happened and why.
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I care not if you are tired of the nonsense you are spewing. You should be.
Nor have you been saying you "believe", you have absurdly been making declarations of what you say "is".


Buck Ewer said:
Do you care to make a prediction as to what the Grand Jury will recommend?
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I have already told you that is dependent on what they are provided by the DA. And if the DA presents all the known evidence, there will be no true bill returned. Because all the credible evidence that is known says the shooting was justified.
 
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After reading some of the comments, it is apparent the the lefties here are really rooting hard for a murder. Best of luck to you with that. To me, quite disgusting. You are hoping for police misconduct instead of a cop doing his job. Just sickening.
 
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Excon said:
I care not if you are tired of the nonsense you are spewing. You should be.
Nor have you been saying you "believe", you have absurdly been making declarations of what you say "is".


I have already told you that is dependent on what they are provided by the DA. And if the DA presents all the known evidence, there will be no true bill returned. Because all the credible evidence that is known says the shooting was justified.
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Noted with all the predictable caveats and hedges.
BTW ...You can take what I say is, and what I believe is, as being the same thing.
 
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Anthony60 said:
After reading some of the comments, it is apparent the the lefties here are really rooting hard for a murder. Best of luck to you with that. To me, quite disgusting. You are hoping for police misconduct instead of a cop doing his job. Just sickening.
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You seem to have this a little backwards.
I don't believe anyone here has ever "rooted hard for a murder".
The point is we believe that the murder and misconduct has occurred and we wish to see justice done to the murderer.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
:lamo:2wave:
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We know. That is all you have.
 
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Anthony60 said:
After reading some of the comments, it is apparent the the lefties here are really rooting hard for a murder. Best of luck to you with that. To me, quite disgusting. You are hoping for police misconduct instead of a cop doing his job. Just sickening.
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No, civil liberty minded Americans are hoping for justice.
 
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