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U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

TheDemSocialist said:
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Okey dokey smokey!

So tell us, how do you suggest the US and West deal with the genocide being committed by ISIS? Wait... let me guess... negotiate?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Yeah like how Afghanistan has been a success. I love how after 13 years of uninterrupted "bombs and drones' has eliminated the terrorist threat and destroyed Al Qaeda.

Yes! With that great and tarnished track record we will "bomb them into the stone age", the great war cry of the Vietnam era..

The only problem is the US has started countless wars and seldom if ever finish one. It was the road kill that is Obama's support who seem to forget that it was Obama who declared the war in Iraq over...and pulled troops which improved his all important popularity rating. Now here we are, going back in, expecting a quick defeat like the North before Bull Run.

One of the true marks of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results = American foreign policy.

Sorry, but this revolving door of invasions and withdrawals is getting old and costing a lot of lives.
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Patronizing Americans can't even conceive of the fact that we could get things wrong! This isn't just a country, its America, and we're always right, always good, and they are always wrong, always bad. Take any dispute between the US and Russia as example. Russia, in the eyes of the overwhelming (but certainly not all) majority, Russia will be wrong, and the US will be right. Never mind that Russian warnings and predictions on Libya, Syria and Ukraine have all been correct, Russia's wrong, and the US is right.
 
Montecresto said:
Patronizing Americans can't even conceive of the fact that we could get things wrong! This isn't just a country, its America, and we're always right, always good, and they are always wrong, always bad.
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No one believes that. You're just creating a strawman so that you can rant about what's wrong in/by America - as if no one else has a clue.

Evidence A: your rant that immediately follows:

Take any dispute between the US and Russia as example. Russia, in the eyes of the overwhelming (but certainly not all) majority, Russia will be wrong, and the US will be right. Never mind that Russian warnings and predictions on Libya, Syria and Ukraine have all been correct, Russia's wrong, and the US is right.
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Grant said:
Politicians have recently invented the word "surge" when any serious war should be a constant surge until the enemy is eliminated. Another new term is "exit strategy", which was once know as 'retreat', or "terms of surrender". It is clear that opposition parties will uses these terms for political purposes and not what is best for winning a declared war.
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Let Harper lead the Mounties if you're so bent on declared war. Some of us Americans aren't interested in it.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Yeah like how Afghanistan has been a success. I love how after 13 years of uninterrupted "bombs and drones' has eliminated the terrorist threat and destroyed Al Qaeda.

Yes! With that great and tarnished track record we will "bomb them into the stone age", the great war cry of the Vietnam era..

The only problem is the US has started countless wars and seldom if ever finish one. It was the road kill that is Obama's support who seem to forget that it was Obama who declared the war in Iraq over...and pulled troops which improved his all important popularity rating. Now here we are, going back in, expecting a quick defeat like the North before Bull Run.

One of the true marks of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting different results = American foreign policy.

Sorry, but this revolving door of invasions and withdrawals is getting old and costing a lot of lives.
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I agree with you, man, I do, I was only pointing the capabilities of the U.S. Military and that if the right strategy was utilized, the War would be easily won. I recognize the historical context and that the likelihood of an impressive campaign is low, but I similarly recognize that the ability to do it exists and could be done if properly motivated.
 
ecofarm said:
No one believes that. You're just creating a strawman so that you can rant about what's wrong in/by America - as if no one else has a clue.

Evidence A: your rant that immediately follows:
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And you prove my point as the classic patronizing American. FAL, seems to have a pretty good understanding of US failed foreign policy.
 
Jango said:
I agree with you, man, I do, I was only pointing the capabilities of the U.S. Military and that if the right strategy was utilized, the War would be easily won. I recognize the historical context and that the likelihood of an impressive campaign is low, but I similarly recognize that the ability to do it exists and could be done if properly motivated.
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The war on terror is a joke and will never be won, ever! Perpetual war is a pretty good deal for defense contractors though.
 
ecofarm said:
Okey dokey smokey!

So tell us, how do you suggest the US and West deal with the genocide being committed by ISIS? Wait... let me guess... negotiate?
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End all financial support to those countries that have supported them indirectly/directly, stop flowing arms into Syria, pressure Iraq to allow Sunni's into their government, arm the Kurds in both Iraq and Syria.
 
Montecresto said:
But the question is, will this be with or without president Assad's permission. Sense were always harping about sovereign borders and all. The US has been trying to get into Syria for years. Regime change is a long term pentagon ambition, it was attempted legally and overtly, at the UN level, its been attempted covertly with the CIA and smuggling of arms through the Benghazi annex into Syria, and this looks like a new way to get our noses in. Wonder what Russia will have to say about this.
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I really dont think its a way to secretly overthrow or weaken the Syrian government.
 
ecofarm said:
You're asking if I remember a youtube video? Please. Not everyone gets their geopolitical understanding from youtube.
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Hey, it helped putting an incompetent community organiser into the White House.

BTW: Both Obama and the self proclaimed war hero John Kerry are on record saying that "geopolitics" are obsolete today in the Twenty First Century. :lamo
 
ecofarm said:
Who would you say that is?
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Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey
America's Allies Are Funding ISIS - The Daily Beast
ISIS Receiving Funding From U.S. Allies - Business Insider
Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Meh, it's nothing compared to Iran and Russia.
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We arent talking about Iran and Russia
Also Syria is fighting the same enemy..



Sounds good.



I'm with that.
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We agree :mrgreen:
 
Montecresto said:
You said it.
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Only you believe it. That's what makes it my point and not yours. Anyone doubting my intellectual ability is surely ignorant. Of that I have no doubt.

To claim someone with my capability is a robot only makes your argument even more weak. No one with unabomber positions can hold a candle. Your global CT does not confront me.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Hey, it helped putting an incompetent community organiser into the White House.

BTW: Both Obama and the self proclaimed war hero John Kerry are on record saying that "geopolitics" are obsolete today in the Twenty First Century. :lamo
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Thanks, Obama!
 
TheDemSocialist said:
End all financial support to those countries that have supported them indirectly/directly, stop flowing arms into Syria, pressure Iraq to allow Sunni's into their government, arm the Kurds in both Iraq and Syria.
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The only realistic suggestion you make is to arm the Kurds.
 
APACHERAT said:
Hey, it helped putting an incompetent community organiser into the White House.

BTW: Both Obama and the self proclaimed war hero John Kerry are on record saying that "geopolitics" are obsolete today in the Twenty First Century. :lamo
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Greetings, APACHERAT. :2wave: Glad to see you back!

Well, I'm certainly happy to hear that "geopolitics" are obsolete. Think of the problems we'd be facing if they weren't obsolete! :screwy:
 
apdst said:
The only realistic suggestion you make is to arm the Kurds.
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I would disagree. Why is stopping funding to people who give $$$ assistance and opening the Iraqi gov to Sunni's "unrealistic"?
 
Montecresto said:
The war on terror is a joke and will never be won, ever! Perpetual war is a pretty good deal for defense contractors though.
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Call it what it is first, man: it is a modern crusade. It's religion disguised as foreign policy. However, certain actions & reactions have kept us busy and involved.

Remember what President Bush said?

This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient.
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September 16th, 2001
 
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