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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Is this what presidents do now. If he gets away with it again, think the next president does the same? Does anybody understand what a dangerous precedent this is. Or are partisans going to continue to support this ****??
    If the truth were ever revealed someday in the future, and it turned out that ISIS was a creature of the CIA, I for one would not be surprised in the least.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes of course. But they probably didn't tell Germany either. Why don't you begin debating then?
    I prefer that the US gets president Assad's permission first, and that our president has congressional approval. Your belligerent approach is more failure.
    That this is probably the first time America has ever been left out of the loop by it's Allies should be newsworthy to all Americans.

    America has become a clumsy giant, bumping and careening into the world's furniture, making dull and witless speeches between rounds of golf and without even a short term plan. Allies ignoring America is not a good thing but they know they cannot negotiate, or even reveal secrets, to a non-serious person. The question on many people's minds is whether the American people will elect a serious leader next time around or will The Stupids prevail again?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    If the truth were ever revealed someday in the future, and it turned out that ISIS was a creature of the CIA, I for one would not be surprised in the least.
    I haven't seen anyone offer any evidence of that or make that argument yet, but I wouldn't be surprised either. What is clear though, is that the power vacuums that the US has created has given power to these groups. And funny (not haha) that Egypt and UAE have had to go militarily address a US created problem in Libya. It's frustrating as all hell that too few Americans see this, particularly that its so obvious.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That this is probably the first time America has ever been left out of the loop by it's Allies should be newsworthy to all Americans.

    America has become a clumsy giant, bumping and careening into the world's furniture, making dull and witless speeches between rounds of golf and without even a short term plan. Allies ignoring America is not a good thing but they know they cannot negotiate, or even reveal secrets, to a non-serious person. The question on many people's minds is whether the American people will elect a serious leader next time around or will The Stupids prevail again?
    Hip hip hurrah! I'm delighted. I'd like to see the ME take complete charge of their own, and for the US to spend more time and money on our heavy domestic woes. I'm ok with Canada doing something over there, if you could lobby them as heavily as you lobby DP. You sure love criticising over half the American population. Do you have such criticisms of Canadians?? Btw. What's Harper doing about this.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    This coming from the guy who says to bomb the entire country from border to border........ Don't expect to be taken seriously.
    Obviously, humor was not an inherited trait in your family.

    BUT ... I'm going to answer both you and Iguanaman in one post. Neither of you will like what I say, because the truth will make a lie of your position. Hopefully, though, it will make you think ... but I doubt that, too.

    First of all ... it is antithetical to believe that countries seek freedom. Governments are not interested in freedom; they are only interested in power. For you to say that 'Iraq didn't want us there' is, frankly, naive. Of course, Iraq didn't want us there ... but the Iraqi people did. Freedom comes only to the people. It is the restrictions they place on the government ... thus, the government doesn't want it (including our own).

    I saw people walk for miles to cast their first vote ... think they wanted us there? I saw an old grandma who couldn't walk ... she crawled, and she voted. Think she wanted us there?

    Any idea of what a man who has been gutted like an animal smells like? Think he wanted protection? Ever seen what a seven year old boy looks like after he's been anally gang raped by 10 terrorists? Think he wanted protection? Ever looked into the eyes of a little girl who just watched her father hacked to death because he was born into the wrong family? Think she wanted us there? Know the smell of burning bodies - of small villages obliterated? Think they wanted us there? How about the 11 year old girl who hadn't seen her mother in 3 years because she had to hide out in her school, because if she left, she would be discovered, and her family would be summarily slaughtered? Think she wanted us there? Or, her father (who told everybody his oldest daughter had died), who every night, under cover of darkness, had to sneak food to her, sometimes driving 30 klicks out of his way to mislead those who watched? Think he wanted us there? Ever looked into the eyes of a 10 year old boy, with a bomb strapped to his chest, and seen the abject terror? Think he wanted us there?

    I hear the ultimate stupidity - 'if they want freedom, they have to get it for themselves'.

    People who want to be free - outgunned - unable to move for fear of retaliation. People who only want to live in peace, subjected to the worst of cruelties - oppressed under the thumb, and the fist, of the worst kind of tyrants and terrorists. Unarmed - uncoordinated. And, you expect them to fight professional armies. Hell, we couldn't do it - how could they? Had it not been for the 'invasion' of the French (who provided troops, supplies, arms, and professionalism to our cause - sound familiar?), and the support of Germans like Baron von Stuben, who turned our ragged band of farmers into soldiers (sound familiar?), we would have lost our revolution and would be bowing to the Queen today. I cannot think of a more selfish and vain position to take. How do you rationalize leaving an unarmed people to transgressions of a merciless enemy? Could you sleep at night knowing your failure to take action directly resulted in the death of some little 5 year old girl?

    It's easy to sit here, in your nice little home with your nice little job and your nice little pension, where the biggest worry you got is whether or not to cut the grass this weekend, and pass judgement on people you don't know who live in conditions you can't even imagine and are subjected to horrors you can't even conceive. I can think of nothing more selfish, more vainglorious, more prideful than the cloak of self-righteousness, self-induced delusion of superiority, and ignorance you wear so proudly.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    Obviously, humor was not an inherited trait in your family.

    BUT ... I'm going to answer both you and Iguanaman in one post. Neither of you will like what I say, because the truth will make a lie of your position. Hopefully, though, it will make you think ... but I doubt that, too.

    First of all ... it is antithetical to believe that countries seek freedom. Governments are not interested in freedom; they are only interested in power. For you to say that 'Iraq didn't want us there' is, frankly, naive. Of course, Iraq didn't want us there ... but the Iraqi people did. Freedom comes only to the people. It is the restrictions they place on the government ... thus, the government doesn't want it (including our own).

    I saw people walk for miles to cast their first vote ... think they wanted us there? I saw an old grandma who couldn't walk ... she crawled, and she voted. Think she wanted us there?

    Any idea of what a man who has been gutted like an animal smells like? Think he wanted protection? Ever seen what a seven year old boy looks like after he's been anally gang raped by 10 terrorists? Think he wanted protection? Ever looked into the eyes of a little girl who just watched her father hacked to death because he was born into the wrong family? Think she wanted us there? Know the smell of burning bodies - of small villages obliterated? Think they wanted us there? How about the 11 year old girl who hadn't seen her mother in 3 years because she had to hide out in her school, because if she left, she would be discovered, and her family would be summarily slaughtered? Think she wanted us there? Or, her father (who told everybody his oldest daughter had died), who every night, under cover of darkness, had to sneak food to her, sometimes driving 30 klicks out of his way to mislead those who watched? Think he wanted us there? Ever looked into the eyes of a 10 year old boy, with a bomb strapped to his chest, and seen the abject terror? Think he wanted us there?

    I hear the ultimate stupidity - 'if they want freedom, they have to get it for themselves'.

    People who want to be free - outgunned - unable to move for fear of retaliation. People who only want to live in peace, subjected to the worst of cruelties - oppressed under the thumb, and the fist, of the worst kind of tyrants and terrorists. Unarmed - uncoordinated. And, you expect them to fight professional armies. Hell, we couldn't do it - how could they? Had it not been for the 'invasion' of the French (who provided troops, supplies, arms, and professionalism to our cause - sound familiar?), and the support of Germans like Baron von Stuben, who turned our ragged band of farmers into soldiers (sound familiar?), we would have lost our revolution and would be bowing to the Queen today. I cannot think of a more selfish and vain position to take. How do you rationalize leaving an unarmed people to transgressions of a merciless enemy? Could you sleep at night knowing your failure to take action directly resulted in the death of some little 5 year old girl?

    It's easy to sit here, in your nice little home with your nice little job and your nice little pension, where the biggest worry you got is whether or not to cut the grass this weekend, and pass judgement on people you don't know who live in conditions you can't even imagine and are subjected to horrors you can't even conceive. I can think of nothing more selfish, more vainglorious, more prideful than the cloak of self-righteousness, self-induced delusion of superiority, and ignorance you wear so proudly.
    Nor in yours if you think that given American history of bombing civilian targets, like whole cities, is something to be joking about.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nor in yours if you think that given American history of bombing civilian targets, like whole cities, is something to be joking about.
    What a remarkably succinct, well grounded, and in-depth response. Your mom would be impressed.

    Give me a break ...

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    What a remarkably succinct, well grounded, and in-depth response. Your mom would be impressed.

    Give me a break ...
    Stop joking about bombing countries from border to border and you can have two!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yes, but frequently the answer is not accurate or correct. That is, so many times the answer is contradicted by facts and evidence.
    For example?
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    You are easily fooled, but so was I. Most of us were.

    In my case, regarding the pictures you show, it took 4 years to realize I was tricked. 13 years later some folks have not yet realized they were fooled, and that is easily explained, because there has been a deliberate effort to reinforce in the public perception a Bright & Shining Lie.

    For some it works, others not so much.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

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