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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Or Jayvees, as Obama called them.

    You seem to be one of those who believe that terrorists would act like the Allies forces did during WWII.

    Terrorists can now enter the US easily, and arm themselves as well. They will simply get a weapons of some sort and murder as many civilians as they can, in shopping centers, movie theaters, and elsewhere, and then go to trial. Keep in mind that terrorists are certainly not fearful of dying, or of going to prison.

    What happened in Washington DC, Fort Hood and Boston will become the norm, just as it is in Israel, Iraq, Syria, or any other war zone where terrorists are involved. Democracies believing they have a handle on terrorists and their tactics, or can rely on their military, are only fooling themselves. Think of the DC snipers times a hundred, or thousand, and then you'll get the idea.
    No, I understand that by strict definition of the word, many terrorists wear business suits, some with American Flag lapel pins.

    And no, I do not believe that today's "terrorists" would act like Allied Forces in WWII.

    But I did learn enough while in the Army to understand that a bunch of well armed ragtag muslim zealots in the Mideast desert, WITHOUT either a navy or an air force are no threat to my homeland.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya HD. Check out the War on Terror Forum, where we have information up on these guys. Do you think possession of Scud Missiles make them more of a threat? They have now taken Assads last military base in Northern Syria. An Air base. They also now have an Airport.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...urces-say.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...ase-syria.html
    Hi MMC

    No sir, their possession of Scud missles do not make them a threat to us. Unless are guys are over there, caught in a barracks like happened with PA (?) National Guard troops in the first Gulf War.

    My thoughts are that if we were not in their neighborhood blowing it up, they would not be motivated to kill us.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    No, I understand that by strict definition of the word, many terrorists wear business suits, some with American Flag lapel pins.

    And no, I do not believe that today's "terrorists" would act like Allied Forces in WWII.

    But I did learn enough while in the Army to understand that a bunch of well armed ragtag muslim zealots in the Mideast desert, WITHOUT either a navy or an air force are no threat to my homeland.
    Yes, I agree. If they were to stay in the Mideast desert they would not be a problem to anyone. The difficulty is that these ragtag muslim zealots often go noticed in society until they do harm.

    Not sure why you feel they would need an air force or navy though when public transportation is available.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya HD. Check out the War on Terror Forum, where we have information up on these guys. Do you think possession of Scud Missiles make them more of a threat? They have now taken Assads last military base in Northern Syria. An Air base. They also now have an Airport.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...urces-say.html

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...ase-syria.html
    LOL Now all they need is planes....and pilots. You do know we will shoot them down in a heartbeat, right?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    At what point do we say it is time to cut our losses?
    In Iraq? As the US President said, Iraq was 'stable'. And it was. But the idea, as has been done elsewhere in the world, was to keep it stable. By walking away after all that treasure and suffering was lunacy.
    If we have learned anything from the last decade plus, it is that the middle east region is not worth our investment.
    But you had already invested! All you would be doing is protecting that investment. The one honest thng Obama said was that Iraq was 'stable'. Then he withdrew the troops, the stability was ended, and everything was lost.

    I can't help but seeing another decade of time wasted there, a trillion or more wasted, 6000+ more lives wasted and ruined, and all for the same result.
    I can certainly understand your frustration but without a foreign policy, a long term strategy, these things are going to happen. There is still no strategy in place and Obama refers to terrorists as Jayvees. Only he was amused at hiis remark, certainly not Foley or his family and colleagues.

    And the idea that the America military, the best in the world, can retreat even further is not a wise strategy either.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In Iraq? As the US President said, Iraq was 'stable'. And it was. But the idea, as has been done elsewhere in the world, was to keep it stable. By walking away after all that treasure and suffering was lunacy.
    So we stay there forever? No. I think not.

    But you had already invested! All you would be doing is protecting that investment. The one honest thng Obama said was that Iraq was 'stable'. Then he withdrew the troops, the stability was ended, and everything was lost.
    So you DO want us to stay there forever.

    I can certainly understand your frustration but without a foreign policy, a long term strategy, these things are going to happen. There is still no strategy in place and Obama refers to terrorists as Jayvees. Only he was amused at hiis remark, certainly not Foley or his family and colleagues.
    Policies and Strategies don't fix crazy. The Middle East isn't ready to live without strife. We can't fix that with policies and strategies and keeping a military presence there for 30+ years isn't "fixing" anything.

    And the idea that the America military, the best in the world, can retreat even further is not a wise strategy either.
    Nah. Its better to waste all of our resources, lives, and money to the point where the government goes bankrupt. All for...... "stability".

    I don't care, stay there a decade or a century. The moment we walk out those crazy ****ers are going to tear each other apart. And with the way the ROE is these days, they are going to tear each other apart while we watch.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So we stay there forever? No. I think not.

    So you DO want us to stay there forever.

    Policies and Strategies don't fix crazy. The Middle East isn't ready to live without strife. We can't fix that with policies and strategies and keeping a military presence there for 30+ years isn't "fixing" anything.

    Nah. Its better to waste all of our resources, lives, and money to the point where the government goes bankrupt. All for...... "stability".

    I don't care, stay there a decade or a century. The moment we walk out those crazy ****ers are going to tear each other apart. And with the way the ROE is these days, they are going to tear each other apart while we watch.
    Yes of course there are those, even non Americans mind you, that think the US should keep a German/South Korean style presence there. Wonder how much they're be willing to pony up to make that happen?? Also, it wouldn't be just money as is the case with Germany/SK, any Western military presence is going to suffer regular attacks and a steady stream of body bags back home no matter how many or few.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, I agree. If they were to stay in the Mideast desert they would not be a problem to anyone. The difficulty is that these ragtag muslim zealots often go noticed in society until they do harm.

    Not sure why you feel they would need an air force or navy though when public transportation is available.
    One guy with some plastic explosives in his underwear is hardly a threat to my country. 10 men with plastic explosives in their underwear are hardly a threat to my country.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    The most serious was going in the first place.
    Most people hate to admit it, but Iraq was more stable BEFORE we intervened.
    It was a mistake for sure, but not the most serious. To say that it was at all stable shows a complete lack of understanding of at least the last 50 years of history regarding Iraq.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    One guy with some plastic explosives in his underwear is hardly a threat to my country. 10 men with plastic explosives in their underwear are hardly a threat to my country.
    A series of successful terrorist attacks in this country would do irreparable harm.
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