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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, I see. Well tell me. How is it that creating power vacuums can ever be positive?
    By not creating them. Put a govt in place then back it up, as long as that takes. We're still in Europe, after all.

    Americans want clean and neat little wars. We go in, wipe the floor with em, then roll out. Doesn't work. We have to commit to maintaining peace in the middle east with a long term, significant presence.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

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    By not creating them. Put a govt in place then back it up, as long as that takes. We're still in Europe, after all.

    Americans want clean and neat little wars. We go in, wipe the floor with em, then roll out. Doesn't work. We have to commit to maintaining peace in the middle east with a long term, significant presence.
    Except that that's not what has happened. Beginning with arming the mujahideen, which created the power vacuum when Russia left which gave rise to the Taliban that we only had to fight latter. The power vacuum we created in Iraq gave rise to and emboldened AQ/ISIS, the power vacuum we've created in Libya has it in chaos, and now then we've been supporting those who have been trying to topple president Assad in Syria, still hanging on, though greatly weakened, the power vacuum there has further strengthened IS which is spreading back into Iraq and Lebanon and threatens other Syrian neighbours. US policy has been a fan to the flames, fuel on the fire, and anything but a peaceful solution.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    OMG, what are we going to do?!?!

    These guys are as big a threat to the US as the Viet Cong was! Yikes!

    Chuck Hagel must be having flashbacks to Saigon, poor baby.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Except that that's not what has happened. Beginning with arming the mujahideen, which created the power vacuum when Russia left which gave rise to the Taliban that we only had to fight latter. The power vacuum we created in Iraq gave rise to and emboldened AQ/ISIS, the power vacuum we've created in Libya has it in chaos, and now then we've been supporting those who have been trying to topple president Assad in Syria, still hanging on, though greatly weakened, the power vacuum there has further strengthened IS which is spreading back into Iraq and Lebanon and threatens other Syrian neighbours. US policy has been a fan to the flames, fuel on the fire, and anything but a peaceful solution.
    There was no "power vacuum created in Iraq" until Barrack pulled the troops. It was thought in some circles that up to 70,000 troops would remain in Iraq - policing, training and keeping the country stable.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Except that that's not what has happened.
    You're right...we left. Now we're going back.

    Beginning with arming the mujahideen, which created the power vacuum when Russia left which gave rise to the Taliban that we only had to fight latter. The power vacuum we created in Iraq gave rise to and emboldened AQ/ISIS, the power vacuum we've created in Libya has it in chaos, and now then we've been supporting those who have been trying to topple president Assad in Syria, still hanging on, though greatly weakened, the power vacuum there has further strengthened IS which is spreading back into Iraq and Lebanon and threatens other Syrian neighbours. US policy has been a fan to the flames, fuel on the fire, and anything but a peaceful solution.
    The key thing you've missed....we left.
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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh for Pete's sake. Again you think propaganda only emanates from other places. Russia is not the aggressor in Ukraine. Remember, the US supported a violent coup that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine installing a pro-Western government, quite naturally completely unacceptable to Russia. What we have seen there is an attempt at NATO expansion eastward. Russia is responding to US intrigue, they are not the aggressors. And they appear willing to pay the price to deny this.

    As to the US, regime change is our goal in the ME, which seems odd that you would deny that as aggression, because Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad see it as very aggressive. And Russia has been supporting president Assad all along in his fight against militant extremism in Syria. It's US support of those fighting to topple President Assad that has emboldened them and given rise to IS which has spread beyond Syria's borders, precisely as China and Russia warned US interference in Syria would cause.
    So we disagree. We usually do.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Russia is not the aggressor in Ukraine.
    You seem very definite about that. Where do you get your sources? Kiev, Western allies condemn entrance of Russian convoy into Ukraine - LA Times

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    OMG, what are we going to do?!?!

    These guys are as big a threat to the US as the Viet Cong was! Yikes!

    Chuck Hagel must be having flashbacks to Saigon, poor baby.
    Is it your belief that Islamic terrorism is the same threat as were the North Vietnamese?

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Is it your belief that Islamic terrorism is the same threat as were the North Vietnamese?
    Less of a threat. At least the NVA had its people behind them, and it had some level of industrial capacity. These guys are just a well organized gang of thieves who majorly scored a bunch of US equipment and weapons.

    But having been there, North Vietnam was no threat at all to the US. All they wanted was to get the nasty invader out of their country. I consider that a reasonable wish.

    These guys don't even have a navy or an air force, and Chuck Hegal is saying they are a threat. They can't even cross the frigging ocean.

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    Re: U.S. Weighs Direct Military Action Against ISIS in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You seem very definite about that. Where do you get your sources? Kiev, Western allies condemn entrance of Russian convoy into Ukraine - LA Times
    He gets his facts from Moscow, I guess. Look, this poster is an inveterate America hater who, in any dispute between the US and another country will always believe the other guy.
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