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Obama: U.S. will be relentless with Islamic State after Beheading.....

Greetings, F&L. :2wave: Glad to see you back!

As nearly as I can figure, if you openly walk the streets, you're safe. It's only when you try to hide that it's a problem. :mrgreen:



that works. Hiding, as you point out, IS the issue, the government and the truth from US.

And hi yourself, been awhile sugar.
 
Didn't I see in the news that some of them have been caught?

maybe you did. I haven't and it would have been big here where the headlines are about a train accident three years ago and a new Liberal leader drawing fire because he supports legal pot. In other words, Canada eh? Boring is our excitement.
 
Yeah well....I did put up the latest news with Yemen and the Shia. Note how much the left lacks with anything concerning Yemen.

You don't think that has anything to do with their Party.....do you?

Well of course partisans on the left are going to be ignoring it. But it's not as though the hawks on the right are calling foul on it.
 
The Iraqi army is much stronger than ISIS, but it

"Take ISIS' victory in Mosul. Thirty-thousand Iraqi troops ran from 800 ISIS fighters. Those are 40:1 odds! Yet Iraqi troops ran because they simply didn't want to fight and die for this government. There had been hundreds of desertions per month for months prior to the events of June 10th. The escalation with ISIS is, of course, making it worse.

Sectarianism also plays a role here. The Iraqi army is mixed Sunni-Shia, and "it appears that the Iraqi Army is cleaving along sectarian lines," Yale University insurgency expert Jason Lyall said. "The willingness of Sunni soldiers to fight to retake Mosul appears limited." This makes some sense out of the Mosul rout: some Sunni Muslims don't really want to fight other Sunnis in the name of a government that oppresses them.

This suggests a natural limit to ISIS' expansion. Mosul is a mostly Sunni city, but military resistance will be much stiffer in Shia areas. ISIS needs to stick to Sunni land if it doesn't want to overreach."

I don't understand why it should be OUR boots on the ground. Sounds like a job for Iraq soldiers, not ours.

Can't really help with that given the history of the last 14+ years as a reference for you. If I were to go through all the numerous factors, it would take pages of this thread to do so.

I respect your opinion. And, it's a valid position. So is mine. However, the difference between them is found within your own post above.
 
What don't you get about The War on Terror increasing?
Gosh, again.....you undermine your premise......and it goes right by you again!

It is pointless for me to keep repeating this obvious error of yours when it does not register on your side of the screen.

Oh well...I tried.

Toodles

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What don't you get about The War on Terror increasing? What don't you get that they have increased in range.....as well as numbers. As well as groups. Still haven't figured out that terrorism has increased over 60% all under BO peep's watch.

All due to BO and his thought construct over violence.

Again Gates Book came out after BO's first term......eventually you will catch up to speed.

True enough. That's because following in Bush's footsteps Obama has practiced and ratcheted up regime change, which directly gives room for jihadists to blossom. And then there's Bush's drone program which Obama energized and is causing more hatred for America with its high ratio of innocent civilian deaths. Why is it American for you to criticize Obama and blame his policies for the rise in terrorist activity in the ME, but anti-American when I point out that both parties are responsible for power vacuums filled by jihadists and hatred for America due to our poor policies for years now???
 
All correct but you left out the huge expansion of drone bombing and any information on civilian casualties.

The question that needs to be asked is this: Way back when it was such a great idea to invade Afghanistan, how many terrorists were there? The US and its allies have been killing and killing and killing for going on 14 years, the longest war in the history of the US, and only in Obama's term did they find out that they needed to increase the killing five hundred per cent.

This from a CIA that learned about the fall of the Berlin Wall when the bricks started hitting them, missed the first World Trade Center bombing, flubbed the response to that, missed the 911 attacks completely, and kind of blew "Arab Spring", Libya and, allegedly, Osama bin laden when they had him surrounded.

So how many terrorists are there left to kill? Where did they come from? Who is funding them, all things promised back during the Bush administration and contined under this president.

Seems to me, before they go running off invading and droning people, maybe they should find out these things, if for no other reason than to determine how many bullets they will need.


Heya F&L. :2wave: Well a lot of good it does him now with only 2 years left.....he did say the War to fight was Afghanistan. To prevent AQ/Terrorists from having a safe haven. Now AQ is back in Afghanistan and BO has lost the war in Afghanistan. Plus his whole reasoning for Afghanistan.....has now taken place with ISIL in Iraq and Syria, with their creation of a Caliphate. So they have their safe haven.....with terrorist groups working together to create bombs. While others are swearing allegiance to the Invisible Sheik.
 
True enough. That's because following in Bush's footsteps Obama has practiced and ratcheted up regime change, which directly gives room for jihadists to blossom. And then there's Bush's drone program which Obama energized and is causing more hatred for America with its high ratio of innocent civilian deaths. Why is it American for you to criticize Obama and blame his policies for the rise in terrorist activity in the ME, but anti-American when I point out that both parties are responsible for power vacuums filled by jihadists and hatred for America due to our poor policies for years now???


But then BO didn't follow up Juniors regime change plans, as you say. Otherwise we would have seen such take place with Libya. There was no end game and that's why Libya is the way it is.

Also you do tend to forget those other allies and what they do to cause US involvement and what happens when they cause a vacuum to take place.
 
Well of course partisans on the left are going to be ignoring it. But it's not as though the hawks on the right are calling foul on it.

Why is everything based on what the other party does?

@MMC makes a comment which goes undisputed, with the equalizer a version of "they do it too." By that logic, both sides wallow in a sewage filled gutter but its OK because the other guys do it. The moral logic of that is lugubriously still born.

For five and a half years, every criticism of Obama, and there have been many legitimate ones, has at one point been met with a version of Bush [either one], Reagan, or Romney did it too; even Obamacare that The One was so proud of in the debate, became "Romneycare" when things turned ugly and 27 million people lost their plan.

Isn't the aim of progressives to make progress? How can that happen when the base is the worst of what the predecessor got away with?

As a staunch Liberal and libertarian, I support much of what the US non-progressive movement claims to support, but I have to say my respect lies with what Obama has termed his "enemies", the American right. I do not see the same misdirection and blame shifting and while some of the goals they seek are repulsive to me, I at least know where they stand, an impossibility with a movement whose leader is a pathological liar and his supporters best defense is "bush did it too."

The American left is about as "progressive" as a neanderthal's idea of what is good to eat.
 
Heya F&L. :2wave: Well a lot of good it does him now with only 2 years left.....he did say the War to fight was Afghanistan. To prevent AQ/Terrorists from having a safe haven. Now AQ is back in Afghanistan and BO has lost the war in Afghanistan. Plus his whole reasoning for Afghanistan.....has now taken place with ISIL in Iraq and Syria, with their creation of a Caliphate. So they have their safe haven.....with terrorist groups working together to create bombs. While others are swearing allegiance to the Invisible Sheik.

In other words, they lost.

They whole point of George Bush going in was to shut down the safe haven thing and kill all the terrorists. Now, you confirm there are more terrorists than ever before, and that they now have two countries from which to operate.

I really want to see the Obamaheads put a "win" on this one.
 
Well he still knows there are other American hostages out there.....With what he said, if they heard it. Maybe it will give them some hope.

yeah, lets hope they didn't hear that he went straight to golf afterwards...
 
Apart from what you are implying, Obama has been aggressive fighting terrorists (I don't have to mention bin Laden.) Obama has used drones much more against terrorists than his predecessor.

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Now look at the captured comparison. Obama would rather kill them because detaining them doesn't fit his narrative.
 
Well of course partisans on the left are going to be ignoring it. But it's not as though the hawks on the right are calling foul on it.

Well you don think the Neo Cons will say anything do you? Seems Coburn didn't have any trouble pointing it out.
 
In other words, they lost.

They whole point of George Bush going in was to shut down the safe haven thing and kill all the terrorists. Now, you confirm there are more terrorists than ever before, and that they now have two countries from which to operate.

I really want to see the Obamaheads put a "win" on this one.



Whats funny is most of the left don't think these Terrorists are moving Westward. Yet Ansar al Sharia has sprung up from Yemen to Libya. Oh and now BO has put us back into Somalia. Go figure.

Either way.....I still think he should have looked into that camera and told that One Terrorist. With what you did.....Were coming for you. There is no place you can hide.
 
Yeah, like how the FBI is chasing down the terrorists who killed Ambassador Stephens in Libya?


I feel more secure now.

Sadly, the folks running the show have horrible memories. We treated AQ in the same fashion for decades and that certainly bit us in the butt. This scum needs to be wiped from the face of the planet.
 
Now look at the captured comparison. Obama would rather kill them because detaining them doesn't fit his narrative.

And that unfortunately completely removes intelligence gathering from the equation.
 
Rumor has it that the Admin's main focus will be utilizing the FBI to find these guys. Not the best approach IMHO. FBI is good when they have a controlled environment. That region is anything but controlled. This is best suited for military/intelligence.

Obama's treating this as a criminal case? What a moron.
 
Obama's treating this as a criminal case? What a moron.

It would seem like that.

But we don't know what the CIA or other "secret" agencies are doing - if Obama told us that, it wouldn't be a secret agency would it?.
 
President Barack Obama on Wednesday vowed that the United States will not be swayed from airstrikes against Islamic State after the group beheaded an American journalist, an act he said is proof that the militants stand for no religion. "The United States of America will continue to do what we must do to protect our people. We will be vigilant and we will be relentless. When people harm Americans, anywhere, we do what's necessary to see that justice is done," he said.

He said militants have rampaged across cities and villages, abducted women and children and subjected them to torture and rape and killed Muslims, both Sunni and Shia, by the thousands."No just God would stand for what they did yesterday and what they do every single day," he said. "Their ideology is bankrupt. They may claim, out of expediency, that they are at war with the United States or the West, but the fact is, they terrorize their neighbors and offer them nothing but an endless slavery to their empty vision and the collapse of any definition of civilized behavior," Obama said.....snip~

Obama: U.S. will be relentless with Islamic State after beheading


So what do you think.....maybe this finally got to him. He pretty much told these terrorists we will do what we have to do. What say ye?

Evening MMC..

I think he read a speech prepared by his speech writer, used some tough words but when he said 'we do what's necessary to see that justice is done', yip! We heard that before and are still waiting......

Then he ran off to play golf, with his bad image which he doesn't care about, you'd think he would at least pretend to get back to work. But naw, save work for another day. Let his staff deal with the problems and he'll come out to make another speech.
 
Evening MMC..

I think he read a speech prepared by his speech writer, used some tough words but when he said 'we do what's necessary to see that justice is done', yip! We heard that before and are still waiting......

Then he ran off to play golf, with his bad image which he doesn't care about, you'd think he would at least pretend to get back to work. But naw, save work for another day. Let his staff deal with the problems and he'll come out to make another speech.


Heya ML.
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Well truthfully BO peep has never been one for smack talk. He couldn't handle it on the street so I doubt he can handle it anywhere else. Even in Diplomacy.
 
Heya ML.
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Well truthfully BO peep has never been one for smack talk. He couldn't handle it on the street so I doubt he can handle it anywhere else. Even in Diplomacy.

BO likes to destroy from within but is weak from the outside when people can see. I'm worried about the other hostages and that BO's actions may cause them harm, would be a disaster. We certainly don't want another beheading of the terrorists showing their power.

lol.....perhaps ISIS will talk smack and piss him off
 
BO likes to destroy from within but is weak from the outside when people can see. I'm worried about the other hostages and that BO's actions may cause them harm, would be a disaster. We certainly don't want another beheading of the terrorists showing their power.

lol.....perhaps ISIS will talk smack and piss him off


Well.....as a community activist. He wasn't about bringing people together. Just sayin.

Once he released those 5 Taliban......he increased the risk of all our people and businesses overseas. That includes any hostages that were in Captivity.

Looking to just use the FBI to track them down.....and get them back home. Seems a Waste to me.
 
President Barack Obama on Wednesday vowed that the United States will not be swayed from airstrikes against Islamic State after the group beheaded an American journalist, an act he said is proof that the militants stand for no religion. "The United States of America will continue to do what we must do to protect our people. We will be vigilant and we will be relentless. When people harm Americans, anywhere, we do what's necessary to see that justice is done," he said.

He said militants have rampaged across cities and villages, abducted women and children and subjected them to torture and rape and killed Muslims, both Sunni and Shia, by the thousands."No just God would stand for what they did yesterday and what they do every single day," he said. "Their ideology is bankrupt. They may claim, out of expediency, that they are at war with the United States or the West, but the fact is, they terrorize their neighbors and offer them nothing but an endless slavery to their empty vision and the collapse of any definition of civilized behavior," Obama said.....snip~

Obama: U.S. will be relentless with Islamic State after beheading


So what do you think.....maybe this finally got to him. He pretty much told these terrorists we will do what we have to do. What say ye?

Justice being done isn't the issue!
 
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